Why did they "pull" tower seven?

[jaydeehess]

Has it been pointed out that at equal pressures (and in open air they will be) and equal temperature (and in your O2 being expelled into open air through several hundred feet they will be within seconds) that oxygen is 17% more dense than the air surrounding WTC towers and thus would sink to ground level.

 

[triforcharity]

Any level headed fire commander could immediately see that the chance of suvivors in the WTC collapses was close to nil. Apart from that you don't want all these big firemen walking around on top of the rubble and possibly squashing those potential but highly unlikely survivors.

So the fire commender at tWTC7 should have ordered that those small fires be extinguished by hand using hundreds of fire extinguishers requisitioned from srrounding buildings.

I've explained this to you before Bill.

I'll do it again.

#1- Nobody expected to find out that there were people that survived INSIDE the collapse, but yet, we found that too. Inside a STAIRWELL of all places.

#2- There were some survivors in that pile. There would be NO commander of a fire scene who would say, " Well, I don't think anyone could survive this. Pack up your gear and go home." He would be fired, and charged with a crime.

#3- Firefighters could not legally enter a building to aquire a fire extinguisher without the permission of the building owner. Sorry, not gonna happen. Not to mention, that this would have been a waste of time, and a direct violation of department SOPs that state that no firefighter should be placed in any situation where risk to personal injuries was unwarranted. If there had been someone trapped in 7WTC, I guarantee that they would have gone up to rescue that person.

But, that was not the case.

Stop trying to pretend that you know **** about the fire service. It's obvious that you dont.

 

[Elizabeth I]

So I am going to show him two picturess in a hyperlink

You know, until today I was unaware that pictures came in male (picture) and female (picturess) genders. Is a picturess like actress, waitress, authoress, poetess, etc.?

Scott, you have to bear in mind that Bill is a troll, but of the performance art kind. He's aiming to take his act around the country one day

He's going to have to add some music and a little dancing to it if he wants to go very far.

 

[triforcharity]

I shouldn't even waste the time to answer a question like this.

Two days after the event the collapsed pile would have looked exactly the same.

BBBBBZZZZTTTTT!! WRONG!!

They cleared the road of debris on Veasey street IIRC to allow equipment to get into the area more effeciently.

Try again.

 

[BigAl]

I shouldn't even waste the time to answer a question like this.

Two days after the event the collapsed pile would have looked exactly the same.

Wrong. As soon as WTC/1/2 collapsed, clearing the adjacent streets became the #1 priority so heavy machinery could be brought in.

Source: Nine Months at Ground Zero By Stout, Vitchers, & Gray

 

[triforcharity]

What a wild story. And again, if they're were going for "shock & awe" why wouldn't they go for the Chrysler or Empire State Buildings? That would definitely piss off a lot more people than WTC7. There was absolutely nothing significant or symbolic about WTC7.

Nice try though.

Or the White House, or the Sears Tower, Statue of Liberty, Disney World, Disney Land, Universal Studios, Atlanta, Chicago, LA, Orlando, West Palm Beach, Miami, Tampa, any major sports arena, or hell, even another government building, like Capital Hill, or any of the other landmarks in DC.

Most people outside of Manhattan didn't know what 7WTC was.

 

[triforcharity]

I believe that WTC7 was to be a truly MASSIVE fireball/explosion.

Remember when the Penthouses were dropped first in WTC7 for no apparent reason ?

Well I think there were hundreds of oxygen tanks in there . They planned to flood the air above WTC7 with oxygen and when the fuel from the plane went up there would have been an almighty fireball/explosion. The king of fireballs. They would have saved the best for last.

Then they had to drop the Penthouses first because otherwise they would have ended up on top of the rubble pile spilling dozens of highly-recognisable oxygen tanks everywhere. As it was they were nicely buried under the rubble.

They would have saved the best for last.

Why didn't the oxygen tanks explode when the PH crashed into the building? Why would they have O2 tanks in a room with chillers and mechanical equipment?

 

[The Charnel Expanse]

Or the White House, or the Sears Tower, Statue of Liberty, Disney World, Disney Land, Universal Studios, Atlanta, Chicago, LA, Orlando, West Palm Beach, Miami, Tampa, any major sports arena, or hell, even another government building, like Capital Hill, or any of the other landmarks in DC.

Most people outside of Manhattan didn't know what 7WTC was.

What, Boston doesn't have any important landmarks?

HARUMPH!

 

[triforcharity]

What, Boston doesn't have any important landmarks?

HARUMPH!

My deepest apologies to the Gods of Boston, as I do realize that I have left out my beloved Fenway Park. THis is most likely why my Red Sox lost tonight....

Please, please, forgive me, oh great and mighty Gods of Baseball, for I have smitten you. I lay this burned Yankee hat at your feet as a goodwill sacrifice.....
/derail

Yes, but I also didn't mention St. Louis, or Texas Roadhouse either....

 

[aggle-rithm]

BBBBBZZZZTTTTT!! WRONG!!

They cleared the road of debris on Veasey street IIRC to allow equipment to get into the area more effeciently.

Try again.

Don't forget they also had to collect all the incriminating steel and rush it over to China before anyone noticed...

 

[Thunder]

Remember when the Penthouses were dropped first in WTC7 for no apparent reason?

gravity.

 

[dc1971]

I believe that the oxygen bottles/tanks were in the Penthouses of WTC7- not in the Twin Towers.

Well you can believe all you want, it doesn't make it true.

 

[Scott Jurgenson]

gravity.

always wins.

 

[Sabretooth]

Has it been pointed out that at equal pressures (and in open air they will be) and equal temperature (and in your O2 being expelled into open air through several hundred feet they will be within seconds) that oxygen is 17% more dense than the air surrounding WTC towers and thus would sink to ground level.

I think he meant Helium. Didn't you notice everyone talking funny around WTC7? It's the ever-elusive smoking gun!

 

[Scott Jurgenson]

I think he meant Helium. Didn't you notice everyone talking funny around WTC7? It's the ever-elusive smoking gun!

SMOKING GUN SMOKING GUN SMOKING GUN.

I hate that f'n word. I like the explination that I got earlier where the poster said that if they accept that building 7 was just a fluke, then their whole story cracks. So 7 HAS to be the smoking gun. If it's not then it has no relevance, and neither do the towers.

 

[Sabrina]

No one knew that WTC7 even EXISTED until 9/11. What, pray tell, would be the point of flying a plane into a building that no one, not even most New Yorkers, would have even been aware of? I mean, at least the Twin Towers had the benefit of being visible for miles, as well as being what most people thought of when you mentioned the World Trade Center. As for the Pentagon; um, yeah, five sided building that is touted as the largest office building in the United States, well known to be the headquarters of the US military... yeah, people are going to know what that building was. Same goes for the Capitol or the White House, both touted as potential targets; every single person in the US, from a two-year-old on up to a 98-year-old, knows what those two buildings are. So why WTC7? If any truther can come up with a plausible explanation for THAT, I'll become a truther on the spot.

Needless to say, I'm not holding my breath.

 

[JLord]

I believe that the oxygen bottles/tanks were in the Penthouses of WTC7- not in the Twin Towers.

They were to be used to flood the air abpve the building with oxygen so that when the jet came screaming down in it's nosedive into the roof of WTC7 there would be an enormous fuel/air explosion/fireball that would put the tin hat on the visuals for the day. And visuals are what the show was all about,

You should recognise it from the television action movies you have seen.

So I guess then we are back to the fact that it could have been any building. If they had come up with a way to shoot oxygen from tanks upwards above the building then presumably they could have done this with any building. So I am still left with no reason to suggest why WTC7 was a target of the conspiracy.

 

[Scott Jurgenson]

No one knew that WTC7 even EXISTED until 9/11. What, pray tell, would be the point of flying a plane into a building that no one, not even most New Yorkers, would have even been aware of? I mean, at least the Twin Towers had the benefit of being visible for miles, as well as being what most people thought of when you mentioned the World Trade Center. As for the Pentagon; um, yeah, five sided building that is touted as the largest office building in the United States, well known to be the headquarters of the US military... yeah, people are going to know what that building was. Same goes for the Capitol or the White House, both touted as potential targets; every single person in the US, from a two-year-old on up to a 98-year-old, knows what those two buildings are. So why WTC7? If any truther can come up with a plausible explanation for THAT, I'll become a truther on the spot.

Needless to say, I'm not holding my breath.

Stop making sense, the truthers have no concept of anything that actually makes sense.

 

[grmcdorman]

No one knew that WTC7 even EXISTED until 9/11.

I'd wager that the people who worked there had some idea of its existence.

"Where do you work?"
"Um, someplace that I don't know exists."

 

[Sabrina]

I'd wager that the people who worked there had some idea of its existence.

"Where do you work?"
"Um, someplace that I don't know exists."

You know what I meant! Out of a city of ten million, how many conceivably worked in WTC7 on a daily basis, you think? Probably no more than a few thousand. I'm sure people knew it was THERE; however, they probably just viewed it as another one of the anonymous office buildings that permeate downtown Manhattan, if they thought about it at all.