Life in Jerusalem

[Skeptic]

Details here. Agrees, on the whole, with what I noted, from my days of living there.

Perhaps, as I noted before, the correct way is to declare no more peace talks will be made, since the so-called "peace" process is just an attempt to deliver land into the hand of the corrupt, genocidal PLO or the even worse Hamas. But if de facto there is less and less occupation, more and more integration of Palestinians into Jordanian or Israeli economy, etc., it will work. Not ideal, I know. But...

 

[JJM 777]

I love the neutrality and impartiality of this writer:

> thanks to (...) Stand With Us [with Israel] and the wonderful [Jewish] students at Hebrew University who made it happen.

... hmmm what to expect after such an introduction? And this footnote:

> Ryan Mauro is the founder of WorldThreats.com, national security advisor to the Christian [Evangelical?] Action Network


> rockets were fired from Gaza, prompting retaliatory Israeli airstrikes

Not to mention that the rockets themselves are retaliatory strikes against Israeli occupation and settlements.


> I have no illusions about the uncompromising nature of radical Islam
> (...)
> Until the forces spreading this extremism are stopped, peace is impossible.

Not to mention the uncompromising nature of radical Judaism.


> On the Israeli side, I never heard one negative generalization about Palestinians or Arabs.

Never read any major Israeli newspaper... Jerusalem Post, Ha Aretz, Ma'ariv?


> The biggest conflict Jerusalem is having is between secular and ultra-Orthodox Jews, not between Jews and Muslims.

Not to mention that the building permit policy, or state funding for development of infrastructure such as streets and parks, is quite equal between secular and ultra-Orthodox Jews, but just a bit biased between Jews and Muslims.


> After the so-called “Apartheid Wall” was erected, suicide bombings
> dropped over 90 percent.

And Israeli settlements increased, so it was a win-win situation for Jews.


> This led to economic growth and peace for both sides.

So there is peace, within the minuscule West Bank regions separated by road blocks, travel restrictions and nightly curfews?


> The biggest obstacle to peace isn’t the settlements or any other land dispute.

Of course not, why should it be an obstacle for Jews to occupy someone else's lands and never plan to give them back?

 

[DC]

On the Israeli side, I never heard one negative generalization about Palestinians or Arabs.

obviously he doesn't read Sceptic's posts.

 

[Virus]

I'm looking forward to Mr Totten's dispatches from Israel. He interviewed an Israeli Arab who wants to die in an Iranian nuke attack.

 

[Thunder]

Perhaps, as I noted before, the correct way is to declare no more peace talks will be made, since the so-called "peace" process is just an attempt to deliver land into the hand of the corrupt, genocidal PLO or the even worse Hamas. .

more examples of why Israel is a giant Ghetto.

 

[bit_pattern]

LOL, this is the same blog that "broke" the story about Spanish-academic Caldera supposedly receiving a bomb in the mail from a green-tech company. Obviously a quality source!

 

[Thunder]

Skeptic forgot to mention transfering all Palestinian/Israeli Arab political rights to Jordan.

Can't have terrorist Aabs voting in Israeli elections, don't ta know.

 

[bit_pattern]

Skeptic forgot to mention transfering all Palestinian/Israeli Arab political rights to Jordan.

Can't have terrorist Aabs voting in Israeli elections, don't ta know.

Ya gotta keep that religion pure and unsullied by the unbelievers!

 

[E.J.Armstrong]

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Perhaps, as I noted before, the correct way is to declare no more peace talks will be made, since the so-called "peace" process is just an attempt to deliver land into the hand of the corrupt, genocidal PLO or the even worse Hamas. ...

You mean peace is an attempt to return all the stolen land to those who rightfully own it and you simply cannot bear that idea.

 

[NWO Sentryman]

You mean peace is an attempt to return all the stolen land to those who rightfully own it and you simply cannot bear that idea.

ah yes, the Stolen land. Israel took a large chunk of it as peace terms in the 1948 war which was started by the Arabs mind you. Then in 1967, the Arab league decided to give it another shot, leading to the occupation of Gaza and the West Bank. Indeed, Israeli settlements have been illegally built upon the land, but that doesnt automatically justify Holocaust Denial and Genocidal intent which Hamas and Hezbollah have shown.

 

[Lamafarmer]

LOL, this is the same blog that "broke" the story about Spanish-academic Caldera supposedly receiving a bomb in the mail from a green-tech company. Obviously a quality source!

I like Totten's articles. Very surprised he got on to Paranoidjamas.

 

[Lamafarmer]

all the stolen land to those who rightfully own it

Should Poland return "all the stolen land" to about 11 million Germans? What about "right of return"? I am sure we can make up some "refugees" as well.

 

[Thunder]

Should Poland return "all the stolen land" to about 11 million Germans? What about "right of return"? I am sure we can make up some "refugees" as well.

Israel should return all stolen land in the WB.

Land in Israel taken from Arabs should be traded for govt. land elsewhere in the state, or compensated at market value.

the analogy to Poland is false....as the land taken from German owners was compensation for 6 million Polish civilians murdered by the Nazis, and the billions of $$ in damage to Poland.

 

[NWO Sentryman]

Or what about the Sudeten Germans? Do the Palestinians have any more Right to Return than them?

 

[Thunder]

Or what about the Sudeten Germans? Do the Palestinians have any more Right to Return than them?

yes. yes they do.

#1. The Sudeten Germans notoriously welcomed and celebrated the German annexation and take over first of the Sudetenland, and then Bohemia and Moravia, which was an illegal act of war.

#2. When the Sudeten Germans were expelled from Czechoslovakia, those Sudetens who remained loyal to the Republic, were anti-Fascists, and helped in the resistance, were NOT expelled.

#3. Israel made NO SUCH courtesies to the Arabs. They were just expelled outright, no questions asked.

This is why the Arab refugees deserve the right to return as loyal citizens of Israel or receive compensation for their loses.

 

[Skeptic]

Skeptic forgot to mention transfering all Palestinian/Israeli Arab political rights to Jordan.

Never said about Israeli Arabs. It might be a solution to PA Palestinians.

 

[Thunder]

Never said about Israeli Arabs. It might be a solution to PA Palestinians.

yes, "the Apartheid Solution".

 

[Skeptic]

Ya gotta keep that religion pure and unsullied by the unbelievers!

Israel is about 20%+ non-Jewish. Arabic (like Hebrew) is an official language in Israel. In the last 20 years, due to privatization, the number of Arabs who hold professional jobs had skyrocketed. There are about 10 (don't remember exactly) Arab and non-Jewish members of the Israeli Knesset. I myself live in a "mixed" town where Arabs, like Jews, hold all jobs -- I, personally, know Arab street cleaners... and Arab deans at universities. When a relative got in an accident and had to go with me to the emergency room, the physician on duty was an Arab. More details here. If Israel's purpose is to keep the Jews unsullied by the inferior Arabs, it's doing a really lousy job.

Oh, and you said about your views having no relationship to Matt Giwer and other holocaust-denying folk's views. Well, the idea that Israel is somehow a "master race" state where non-Jews must be kept apart from the "superior" Jews is obviously his view (see also numerous articles on his web site). By the way, while on this subject: Giwer, like yourself, think Chomsky's analysis of the middle east is insightful and accurate.

I ask again: doesn't it bother you that your views about Israel, Chomsky, etc. so often coincide with those of holocaust deniers and lunatic conspiracy theorists?

 

[Skeptic]

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[Thunder]

I ask again: doesn't it bother you that your views about Israel, Chomsky, etc. so often coincide with those of holocaust deniers and lunatic conspiracy theorists?

I believe that the Earth is round. Hitler too, believed that the Earth is round. Nothing I can do about that.

I believe that its smart to stop my car at a red light. Louis Farrakhan too believes that one should stop at a red light. Nothing I can do about that.

Does having beliefs that are shared by jerks make the beliefs less valid? It depends on the beliefs.

But academically speaking, no. Sharing beliefs with unsavery characters does not neccessarily make those beliefs invalid.

Nor should one be ashamed of their beliefs simply because they are shared by unsavery characters.