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Insane Clown Posse's song about 'Miracles' called worst song ever

ICP's song is horrible. But then, most of ICP's music is horrible. Bad rap isn't made better when it is coated in irony and clown makeup.

For the record, The whole "we're secret christians!" thing seems to be a rather blatant gag.
 
3bodyproblem said:
I'll just point out a popular game show in the US right now, hosted by a self described "redneck" is called Are You Smarted Than a 5th Grader?.

More often than not the contestants, some of which are Ivy League Grads, are taped at the end of the show conceding they are not smarter than a 5th grader.

Just sayin.
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You seriously can't be using a show that has stupid idiotic trivia that you normally would pity anyone remembering as a metric of intelligence are you?
Everyone in the audience, be they 10 or 57, should have instantly known it was Queen Victoria. Even if you didn't know the answer to the question- even if you didn't know statistics like that- but you had to guess, Victoria would be an obvious guess. That should have been the first guess that should have instantly sprung to mind.
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See.
For example, I confess I'd actually be very hard pressed to explain how magnets work.
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Thats because its a complicated subject the likes of which you need a PHD to fully understand the consequences of. Its a painful painful subject.
http://webcache.googleusercontent.co...&ct=clnk&gl=us

Some pretty funny answers in there.
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Egads... I think the biggest joke of that article is that the college dropouts explanation is the complete answer.
 
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EeneyMinnieMoe said:
There's a big difference between ignorant and stupid- and the ignorance on their part is deliberate and partially calculated.
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I've never seen any evidence of this oft-repeated legend.

EeneyMinnieMoe said:
You can't be stupid and survive in a business as tough as the music business.
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I don't believe that. A gimmick can make up for a lot of stupid.
 
technoextreme said:
You seriously can't be using a show that has stupid idiotic trivia that you normally would pity anyone remembering as a metric of intelligence are you?
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Seems slightly better than using titanium white face paint as a metric. :boggled:

It actually seems like a pretty good metric of what the average American remembers about 5th grade science, which is about the time we learned how magnets work.
 
Accidental Martyr said:
You're the one that made the claim. Sorry about being skeptical.
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To be fair, 3bd was responding to a claim about ICP fans being wayward kids. That would require the evidence. The only conclusion you can make about ICP fans is that they are often Cosplayers with bad taste in music.
 
Accidental Martyr said:
You're the one that made the claim. Sorry about being skeptical.
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Don't be, you should be skeptical. The same way I'm skeptical of the claims about ICP fans. As far as I can tell they're average concert goers, 18-35. The few that I know don't wear the face paint, have kids and a full time job. I don't have any reason to suspect any different, although I'm inclined to believe their type of music is going to attract more fringe elements of society than say Barbara Streisand or John Tesh. To what extent I don't know. Everyone seems to know, but I don't see any proof.
The same thing seems to be going on here with what ICP or the fans may believe when it comes to magnets. As if they or their fans are more inclined to believe magnets are magical. Frank Sinatra sings to people about miracles nobody bats an eyelash, but ICP does and they are ruining minds :boggled:
It doesn't make sense. There's a lack of critical thinking here which I can only surmise is because people believe face paint makes people retarded.
 
joobz said:
To be fair, 3bd was responding to a claim about ICP fans being wayward kids. That would require the evidence. The only conclusion you can make about ICP fans is that they are often Cosplayers with bad taste in music.
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Personally I like ICP more than Brittany Spears or Jessica Simpson. They have more talent as artists than them yet they've sold 10 times the records of ICP. There's no shortage of "bad music" in popular music today. It isn't "good" music by any stretch of the imagination though.

As for the cosplay what of it. Millions of people cut their hair and dressed like the Beatles. That's more "cosplay" than putting on face paint saturday night. People mimic artists, i don't see any big deal with it. Other people seem to mind, I personally think it's funny but harmless.
 
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3bodyproblem said:
It actually seems like a pretty good metric of what the average American remembers about 5th grade science, which is about the time we learned how magnets work.
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No. I learned the official explanation in high school but even that was incomplete.
Also, here is an article about the main Juggalo event.
http://www.viceland.com/int/v14n10/htdocs/land_of_juggalos.php
The same thing seems to be going on here with what ICP or the fans may believe when it comes to magnets.
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You know whats really bizarre is that I'm slowly starting to agree with them. Now about the song which I think is really stupid but the reason why. Of course the strange thing is that the very first people I would associate with being amazed by animals is well scientists.
We appreciate all this ****. Especially a yellow ass, long neck giraffe. What’s a shame is how people walk around blind to it all. They lost their spirit about everything. If you can’t even see the miracle in animals, then you must have never truly loved a pet. That has to suck for you. Maybe you mother ****ers should relax that wound up, extra tense bitch ass of yours for a minute and go smoke a joint or somethin’.
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http://psychopathicrecords.com/hatchetherald/100423/index.html
 
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3bodyproblem said:
Frank Sinatra sings to people about miracles nobody bats an eyelash, but ICP does and they are ruining minds :boggled:
It doesn't make sense. There's a lack of critical thinking here which I can only surmise is because people believe face paint makes people retarded.
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Agreed. As they (quite rightly) pointed out, if Celine Dion had come out with a song about rainbows and stars being "miracles", everyone would have said it was beautiful.

When two people calling themselves the "Insane Clown Posse" do it, they are stupid.

3bodyproblem said:
Seems slightly better than using titanium white face paint as a metric. :boggled:

It actually seems like a pretty good metric of what the average American remembers about 5th grade science, which is about the time we learned how magnets work.
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If magnets were in my 5th grade science class, I do not remember it. Then, I went to a pretty bad school for 5th grade. The 5th grade math class taught basic multiplication, which is just scandalous.

That magnets attract opposites, repel likes and the North and South sides of them- that I remember from the lower levels of elementary school. It was not even 5th grade science.

I remember the little exercises where they gave you magnets made for those kinds of elementary science class exercises and explained about North and South and you put the magnets together and repelled likes and all that. There were similar exercises for building a circuit; they gave you a little kit designed for teaching children these things and you had to put a circuit together out of two miniature light bulbs, wires and two batteries.

They explained about magnetic fields but on the basic level, to the best of my recollection.

If there was anything about magnets in high school, I do not remember it. It couldn't have been in Biology and I didn't take Physics. Maybe Earth Science or Chemistry.
 
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EeneyMinnieMoe said:
If there was anything about magnets in high school, I do not remember it. It couldn't have been in Biology and I didn't take Physics. Maybe Earth Science or Chemistry.
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I swear we did it in 5th or 6th grade, where you put the magnet under the paper and put the filings on it. Might have been later. The Hall Effect and electromagnets came at some point in High School.

Still, it's an unusual response to a song. I think it has more to do with the fact they are clowns. I didn't know there were as many people scared of clowns as there are. Not scared, but terrified, to the extent they don't like to talk about it.
 
3bodyproblem said:
Don't be, you should be skeptical. The same way I'm skeptical of the claims about ICP fans. As far as I can tell they're average concert goers, 18-35. The few that I know don't wear the face paint, have kids and a full time job. I don't have any reason to suspect any different
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Key word there is "few".

The average concert goers are 18-35 because that is the demographic that can afford concert tickets and have the time to go; and because the minimum age for the majority of venues is 18. This is especially true for ICP concerts, as the lyrical and visual content of their shows, which frequently feature female nudity, mandate such an age limit to comply with state and municipal obscenity laws.

While there's no single authoritative source, going by sales statistics, various news reports, and self-reporting by fans the average Juggalo is younger, typically in the mid-teens to early twenties, from a lower-class or working-class background, has a low level of eductaion, and is predominantly male. The subculture has developed a reputation, at least partly deserved, for violence and criminal activity; similar to but somewhat higher than their general socio-economic demographic.

The annual "Gathering of the Juggalos" music festival has been banned from multiple venues due to the high levels of drug use, violence, and destruction that has resulted. Several acts have refused to play at future gatherings, and two have sued the ICP's production company, after being assaulted onstage. Similar problems have plagued their regular tours as well, and they've been banned from further appearances at a number of venues nationwide.

Although ICP has officially denounced the violence common to the subculture; their music glamourizes and extols violence, and to claim that it's just "cathartic" and "vicarious" smacks of media spin more than any true regret, particularly given the cavalier nature of their denouncements.
 
ICP and 'juggaloes' are still happening? This was stupid when I was in high school...which was a decade ago, now. Do these guys even get MTV play? How is it being passed to the next generatioin?

It's still better than what our young female humans are idolizing, though, I'd argue....

You have your choice between being a totally vapid twit, a la Kesha and the like, or an admitted narcissistic personaltiy disorder sufferer (Lady gaga). I rather they be vapid than be subhuman.
 
Aufbruch said:
ICP and 'juggaloes' are still happening? This was stupid when I was in high school...which was a decade ago, now. Do these guys even get MTV play? How is it being passed to the next generatioin?

It's still better than what our young female humans are idolizing, though, I'd argue....

You have your choice between being a totally vapid twit, a la Kesha and the like, or an admitted narcissistic personaltiy disorder sufferer (Lady gaga). I rather they be vapid than be subhuman.
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"subhuman"? Is that just Lady Gaga, any 'sufferer' (she doesn't look to be suffering) of an 'admitted' ('disclosed' might have been a better term) narcissistic personality disorder, or does it include any non-neurotypical person human?
 
luchog said:
Key word there is "few".

The average concert goers are 18-35 because that is the demographic that can afford concert tickets and have the time to go; and because the minimum age for the majority of venues is 18. This is especially true for ICP concerts, as the lyrical and visual content of their shows, which frequently feature female nudity, mandate such an age limit to comply with state and municipal obscenity laws.

While there's no single authoritative source, going by sales statistics, various news reports, and self-reporting by fans the average Juggalo is younger, typically in the mid-teens to early twenties, from a lower-class or working-class background, has a low level of eductaion, and is predominantly male. The subculture has developed a reputation, at least partly deserved, for violence and criminal activity; similar to but somewhat higher than their general socio-economic demographic.

The annual "Gathering of the Juggalos" music festival has been banned from multiple venues due to the high levels of drug use, violence, and destruction that has resulted. Several acts have refused to play at future gatherings, and two have sued the ICP's production company, after being assaulted onstage. Similar problems have plagued their regular tours as well, and they've been banned from further appearances at a number of venues nationwide.

Although ICP has officially denounced the violence common to the subculture; their music glamourizes and extols violence, and to claim that it's just "cathartic" and "vicarious" smacks of media spin more than any true regret, particularly given the cavalier nature of their denouncements.
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These are all valid points and probably the most rational answer I've seen yet.

The chicken or the egg?

Did ICP create the sub-culture or did the sub-culture create ICP? I firmly believe they filled a niche that would have otherwise been filled by some other act. If ICP were to disband tomorrow some other act would fill the niche and it would start all over again. This is simply the evolution of a genre.

At some point in history they were basically saying the same thing about rock and roll and rap. While horrocore will probably never reach the same level of popularity it is what it is and it's here to stay.

The funny thing about it is they thrive off the hate. The image isn't so much being perpetuated by the band as it is by general public. The ones that behave badly and cause the problems do so because people expect them to. If people just sat back and said "whatever" a majority of the shock factor would be gone and many would simply move on. Instead you get this dual effect; the bad being bad because they are expected to, and the not so bad wanting to hang out with the bad to look bad.

When you step back and look at it objectively ICP isn't the worst band ever and "Miracles" isn't the worst song ever. They've succeeded in manipulating the majority of the public into believing this without them even bothering to listen to their music. I mean how many people really give them a fair shake? The music is specifically designed to offend the people they don't want to listen to their music anyways. It's the antithesis of a Jessica Simpson, whose manufactured music is designed to make you like it despite it being crap.

Maybe that's why people resent them so much. They really are laughing at popular music and giving everyone the finger at the same time. They expose the hypocrisy. There are so many more talented musicians that never get a chance because the industry doesn't always reward talent.
 
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