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Insane Clown Posse's song about 'Miracles' called worst song ever

EeneyMinnieMoe said:
They aren't really claiming these phenomena are miracles. "Miracle" is just a figure of speech. They are just saying they are absolutely and staggeringly amazing.
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To say magnets are a "miracle" is to completely misunderstand what a magnet is, what a miracle is, or both.

If they meant "miracle" as a figure of speech their explanations in subsequent interviews (see interview below) certainly don't say that.

merriam-webster.com said:
Miracle:
1 : an extraordinary event manifesting divine intervention in human affairs
2 : an extremely outstanding or unusual event, thing, or accomplishment
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http://www.merriam-webster.com/netdict/miracle

Magnetism has been known about for how many centuries? Do they think magnets are divine intervention or "unusual"? Well, there's this: If it weren't for our knowledge of magnetism ICP's vocals couldn't have been recorded and played through speakers. If things like magnets are miracles then everything a person is ignorant about is a miracle and the definition of miracle has no meaning.

EeneyMinnieMoe said:
ETA 2: These guys are sorta being ironic, right? This stuff isn't serious. As with the class clown who plays dumb for laughs, it's a studied and deliberate kind of stupidity. Yeah, they are a bit tongue in cheek and in on the joke.

I think.

I hope.
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That's the issue. They aren't being ironic or poetic. As mentioned in my post above, the two members of the "posse" explained:

The Guardian said:
Insane Clown Posse: a magnet for ignorance‎
The Guardian
By Louis Pattison
August 18, 2010

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... In this TV interview, filmed shortly after the Miracles video went viral, the host presents Insane Clown Posse with a book called The Way Things Work, featuring a chapter on exactly how magnets work. They do not, it's fair to say, look particularly happy.

"It's a lot funner being the dumb guy, because then you get to appreciate the beautiful things like all the miracles we talk about," says Violent J.

"Science can be real exciting," concedes Shaggy 2 Dope. "But I'd rather get what we call p**sy. Know what I'm saying?" Well, quite.
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Full: The Guardian

They are clearly saying being "dumb" is "fun" and knowledge takes away from the "beauty" of "things". Furthermore, they simply don't care about science. I watched some of their interviews, including an interview with Violent J who seemed proud he dropped out of the ninth grade.

If someone wants to explain how they are being ironic, show evidence. If someone can show how the song is an allusion, show proof.

As Martin Bashir described to ICP during an interview before the "Miracles" video became an issue, the group's music is by and for the "barely literate." Watch the video to see how ICP respond to that and it's quite telling.
 
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Ploughing through the thread has brought back too many painful memories,I had to stop.Has anyone mentioned Tie A Yellow Ribbon To The Old Oak Tree? I'd rather stick a fork in my eye than listen to that again.
 
EeneyMinnieMoe said:
ETA: Not only are these things basic science, they are elementary school level science. Not even 4th or 5th grade. "*********** magnets" and "how do they work" is 2nd grade or 3rd grade science, if memory serves. Maybe even 1st.
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I'll just point out a popular game show in the US right now, hosted by a self described "redneck" is called Are You Smarted Than a 5th Grader?.

More often than not the contestants, some of which are Ivy League Grads, are taped at the end of the show conceding they are not smarter than a 5th grader.

Just sayin.
 
That's a really interesting show.

Some of the questions are ones the adults should have known. It's disgraceful that they don't know them. One example that comes to mind is when an elementary school principal (!) was asked who the longest reigning monarch in British history was and she didn't know. The information that it was a woman and that she reigned for 63 years was supplied.

Everyone in the audience, be they 10 or 57, should have instantly known it was Queen Victoria. Even if you didn't know the answer to the question- even if you didn't know statistics like that- but you had to guess, Victoria would be an obvious guess. That should have been the first guess that should have instantly sprung to mind.

Even if you know of no other famously long reigning British monarch, you know of her. Even if you know no other British monarch, period, you know of Queen Victoria.

Other ones, however...yes, you understand how they would miss them. Those are things they learned once when they were six years old and forgot about by the next grading period in first grade...let alone the next three phases of a human lifetime. It's been 30 years since they last even heard of it, of course they don't know. They probably often don't even remember if they ever learned this stuff in the first place. It's completely understandable that they would know a lot of things hundreds of times more advanced but they wouldn't know something so simple.

For example, I confess I'd actually be very hard pressed to explain how magnets work. :boxedin:

Count me in with the Insane Clown Posse...:D

ETA: Also very hard pressed were these people:

http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...ets+how+do+they+work&cd=5&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

Some pretty funny answers in there.
 
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Monkey Ghost said:
I read an article about this song on Cracked, where they made great fun of it.

ICP sucks, no two ways about it. And their fans are wayyyyy over the top. The slavish devotion to their lack of talent ratio is whacked.
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fixed it for you.
 
They, the members, talent-less, "muscisians" of the "ICP", are basicly idiots.
Has that not been proven time and time again?
Their followers are idiots; kids with no "real lease on life"
I'm sorry to their parents in advance;of what I'm about to say: "Get your childrens' heads out of their asses!"
Wake up, and start parenting!
 
EeneyMinnieMoe said:
ETA: Also very hard pressed were these people:

http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...ets+how+do+they+work&cd=5&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

Some pretty funny answers in there.
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How does an egg and a sperm grow into a baby? It's a fairly simple and fundamental question, but good luck getting the average Joe on the street to explain it to you.

I couple insane clowns point out the fact that you don't really know either, and people don't like it one bit. "Stupid clowns, it ain't magic, it's....some scienc and stuff, with the electrons and the spinning and the poles, North and South, and they make lines on the paper with iron files.....SHUT UP CLOWNS!" :D
 
skullerello said:
Their followers are idiots; kids with no "real lease on life"
I'm sorry to their parents in advance;of what I'm about to say: "Get your childrens' heads out of their asses!"
Wake up, and start parenting!
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The average ICP fan has a job, 2 kids, a combined household income of $45K a year, 2 cars and a 2 year college degree.
 
dafydd said:
I've never heard of Insane Clown Posse.Should I be thankful?
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lol, probably. As far as music goes if you haven't heard everything there is yet then don't waste your time on ICP. There's way better music.

If you want to blow off some steam, laugh at some stupid rap lyrics and piss off anyone within earshot with profanity and vulgarity ICP is your new favourite band.

I play it while driving and pretend I'm in Grand Theft Auto. It passes the time.
 
3bodyproblem said:
How does an egg and a sperm grow into a baby? It's a fairly simple and fundamental question, but good luck getting the average Joe on the street to explain it to you.

I couple insane clowns point out the fact that you don't really know either, and people don't like it one bit. "Stupid clowns, it ain't magic, it's....some scienc and stuff, with the electrons and the spinning and the poles, North and South, and they make lines on the paper with iron files.....SHUT UP CLOWNS!" :D
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I don't understand the point of the article. It's one thing to say, I don't know how magnets "work" or give a poor explanation. It's another to say, "I don't know exactly, but its science." It's much different to say "I don't know therefore it's a miracle/magic."

Imagine an exchange like this between student and educator:

Student: How do magnets work?
Teacher: I'm not sure. It's a miracle.
Student: So if you can't explain it then its magic?
Teacher: Yes.

People don't declare things they personally don't understand, like magnets, as a miracle. ICP, however, do.
 
3bodyproblem said:
How does an egg and a sperm grow into a baby? It's a fairly simple and fundamental question, but good luck getting the average Joe on the street to explain it to you.
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That's right. I wouldn't know how to explain it- and I was in Biology Honors in high school.

I would have been able to tell you, step by step, when I was 14 or 15.

So if there was a show called "Are You Smarter Than a Ninth Grader?", I'd lose.

3bodyproblem said:
I couple insane clowns point out the fact that you don't really know either, and people don't like it one bit. "Stupid clowns, it ain't magic, it's....some scienc and stuff, with the electrons and the spinning and the poles, North and South, and they make lines on the paper with iron files.....SHUT UP CLOWNS!" :D
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Yeah, I sort of have to defend the Insane Clown Posse on this one. It's not that unusual they don't know.

And they seem to know they are being goofy.

Watching them in interviews, they actually seem like fairly smart guys. They aren't stupid- ignorant, crass, loud, trashy, maybe, but stupid, no. There's a big difference between ignorant and stupid- and the ignorance on their part is deliberate and partially calculated.

You can't be stupid and survive in a business as tough as the music business.
 
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Questioninggeller said:
People don't declare things they personally don't understand, like magnets, as a miracle. ICP, however, do.
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Really?

"Every drop of rain that falls in sahara desert says it all
Its a miracle" - Queen

"You're my life's one miracle, everything I've done that's good"- Celine Dion

"Gonna take a miracle to save us this time"- Bon Jovi

"Oh baby, baby, baby, love is a magic word, yeah, If only you believe in miracles, baby So would i." Jeffercon Starship

"But I pray for small miracles too" Blue Rodeo

"Miracles happen when you're around The sunset is deeper and longer The scent of the jasmine is stronger" Pet Shop Boys

"But if I had to pick a miracle, my favorite miracle of all is you, and
me. " Frank Sinatra

"Who knows what miracles You can achieve When you believe" Mariah Carey

"I Believe in Miracles" Pearl Jam (Ramones cover)

Just about everyone explains what they don't understand in a song, a miracle. I see a lot of love,sunsets and nature called a "miracle".

I can find more lyrics, in fact there are tons in this thread alone, where lyrics describe something as mystical or magical. It's a common practice in song writing.
 
Neither is equating nature with the divine and supernatural something new in poetry, song, etc.

The celebrated romantic poets known as Shaggy 2 Dope and Violent J are hardly the only ones to think that the oceans, the stars, the moon, rainbows, plants, etc. are magical or miraculous. :D


Wordsworth on the ocean:

"The gentleness of heaven is on the sea:
Listen! the mighty Being is awake,
And doth with his eternal motion make
A sound like thunder -everlastingly."

Emily Bronte on the stars:

"All through the night, your glorious eyes
Were gazing down in mine,
And, with a full heart's thankful sighs,
I blessed that watch divine. "

Emily Dickinson on flowers growing:

"God made a little Gentian—
It tried—to be a Rose—
And failed—and all the Summer laughed—
But just before the Snows

There rose a Purple Creature—
That ravished all the Hill—
And Summer hid her Forehead—
And Mockery—was still—

The Frosts were her condition—
The Tyrian would not come
Until the North—invoke it—
Creator—Shall I—bloom?"


Byron (another one impressed by stars) on God's place in nature:

"Thy temple is the face of day;
Earth, Ocean, Heaven thy boundless throne.

...

Thou, who canst guide the wandering star,
Through trackless realms of aether's space;
Who calm'st the elemental war,
Whose hand from pole to pole I trace:


Thou, who in wisdom plac'd me here,
Who, when thou wilt, canst take me hence,
Ah! whilst I tread this earthly sphere,
Extend to me thy wide defence."



Coleridge and Donne, however, are silent on long necked giraffes and magnets :D.

And Tennyson appears to have never written about either UFOs or cell phone eating pelicans.
 
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3bodyproblem said:
Really?

"Every drop of rain that falls in sahara desert says it all
Its a miracle" - Queen

"You're my life's one miracle, everything I've done that's good"- Celine Dion

"Gonna take a miracle to save us this time"- Bon Jovi

"Oh baby, baby, baby, love is a magic word, yeah, If only you believe in miracles, baby So would i." Jeffercon Starship

"But I pray for small miracles too" Blue Rodeo

"Miracles happen when you're around The sunset is deeper and longer The scent of the jasmine is stronger" Pet Shop Boys

"But if I had to pick a miracle, my favorite miracle of all is you, and
me. " Frank Sinatra

"Who knows what miracles You can achieve When you believe" Mariah Carey

"I Believe in Miracles" Pearl Jam (Ramones cover)

Just about everyone explains what they don't understand in a song, a miracle. I see a lot of love,sunsets and nature called a "miracle".

I can find more lyrics, in fact there are tons in this thread alone, where lyrics describe something as mystical or magical. It's a common practice in song writing.
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"I believe in miracles''-Hot Chocolate
 
The weirdest thing about this is if Frank Sinatra or Freddy Mercury say rainbows and love are miracles nobody takes them literally, but if two guys dressed up like clowns say it they do.
They also said they were conceived in a freak show and the gestation was 24hrs, they are 400 years old and immortal.
 
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