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Holocaust deniers, explain this.

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Well ok that clears it up. Hitler was just making it all up. That was easy.

Slander?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germany_Must_Perish!
I really must print that out some day. My toilet paper supply is low.
BTW, gas chambers are central to holocaust denial. If none of you understand this then you exhibit no understanding of it and don't even qualify to discuss it. Off course gas chambers are relevant when the title of this thread addresses holocaust deniers.

You can't pay attention, can you? The OP asked about those ARTICLES and the pictures that went with them. You want a thread on gas chambers, start one. "One Trick Pony Starts A Thread" is already spoken for, so you'll have to come up with something original.
So what do these pictures prove again?
The OP is clear. Try reading it.
 
That is strange. I asked them to elaborate on claims that you made and hence deemed relevant enough. You posted some excuses for the Nazis. I think it is very relevant if the excuses made by the Nazis were even factually correct. Was Bolshevism a Jewish plot? Yes or no? If no, what kind of an excuse is this? You seem to be arguing there was no holocaust because you don't believe Zyklon B was used to gas people. However, gassing by Zyklon B was only part of the holocaust. You seem to think the issue of Zyklon-B-gassing to be relevant - so how can the gassing by diesel fumes or the mass shootings or the deliberate invrease of death rates not be relevant? Those killed millions, too!



Ok, so you admit the Germans commited crimes against the Jews?
You admit that the OP shows the results of crimes against Germans, Jews and POWs? Would be nice if you could say so outright.

"Crimes like virtually anyone during war?" Uhm, well, after you have admitted to the criminality of the concentration camps, and the ghettos, and the Einsatzgruppen, we can then maybe discuss whether virtually anyone commited crimes like these. Or maybe not, for it is a silly game to compare atrocities.





It seems to me that there is a major difference between a response to some true threat and a response to one's personal delusion. Don't you think?

So you don't have a clue about what holocaust denial is about. There are some who's sole stance on the issue is that gas chambers and only gas chambers didn't occur.

I'm obviously not the only one who finds the gassings to be relevant. That is pretty much the only thing they teach you about the Holocaust.

Can you prove there was a deliberate increase of death? What do those pictures prove?
 
One self-published rant of one man? From 1941? You must be kidding. And it's clear where he got the inspiration for the title from. Time reports on February 6, 1933:
Outside the Palace, thousands of Hitlerites roared guttural victory cheers.

"Heil Hitler! Deutschland erwache! Juda verrecke!" they bellowed as he emerged waving his black felt hat. "Hail Hitler! Germany awake! Perish Juda!"
The phrase "Juda verrecke" was a mainstay throughout Nazi Germany.
 
Wow. People like you really do exist, huh? That's amazing. So now the Nazi death camps were actually public health centers. Unfreakingbelievable.

It's worse than you think. The Nazis not only tried to keep their prisoners healthy, they aggressively prosecuted crimes in the camps. Compare this with the US administration of Abu Graib, Bagram, Guantanamo, and a gulag of secret prisons.

To verify that the Nazis prosecuted crime in the camps, see articles on Konrad Morgen, the bloodhound judge, who headed more than 800 investigations, at

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georg_Konrad_Morgen

http://www.holocaustresearchproject.org/trials/konradmorgen.html
 
It's worse than you think. The Nazis not only tried to keep their prisoners healthy, they aggressively prosecuted crimes in the camps. Compare this with the US administration of Abu Graib, Bagram, Guantanamo, and a gulag of secret prisons.

To verify that the Nazis prosecuted crime in the camps, see articles on Konrad Morgen, the bloodhound judge, who headed more than 800 investigations, at

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georg_Konrad_Morgen

http://www.holocaustresearchproject.org/trials/konradmorgen.html

They were not prisoners,they were innocent internees.Once again,why were they in the ****** camps in the first place? Answer that,or on ignore you go.
 
As part of a program of debilitating and starving the prisoners, I'll buy "typhus". It's just one more way they killed their charges.

You still haven't explained the OP. If you don't read English, have someone read the text of the articles to you.

http://ibiblio.org/pha/TWI/Horrors.jpg

Only the title "unspeakable horrors" makes an assertion that this was a result of malicious intent. It is an unsubstantiated assertion as far as I am concerned. Otherwise it seems to make an accurate description by stating, "disease-ridden captives".

http://ibiblio.org/pha/TWI/Horrors 2.jpg

The title again makes an unsubstantiated claim. It merely states "had been without water" and not witheld intentionally. The British POWs seem rather lively.

Nowhere in either of these pictures contain the word "Jew". Captives, political prisoners, POWS. Not once Jew or Jewish was used.

I can only conclude, based on these pictures, that there did seem to be a large typhus epidemic that hit these camps. Any claims of malicious intent on behalf of the Nazis are unsubstantiated with at most only an editorial opinion to suggest it.
 
Were all the Japanese enemies of the state? What if Jews had a country at the time that a war could be declared on?

The internment camps for Japanese-Americans were mostly in California, where it was considered most likely people loyal to the Emperor would be operating.
 
The title again makes an unsubstantiated claim. It merely states "had been without water" and not witheld intentionally. The British POWs seem rather lively.

It's well known that Axis prisoners of war who were ethnically similar to their captors were treated better than "barbarians". American and British prisoners of war in Europe were treated much better than their counterparts in the Pacific theater, and also much better than Nazi prisoners of non-European ethnicity (Malmedy notwithstanding).

It's not because the Nazis were great guys. It's just human nature to "look out for your own".
 
So you don't have a clue about what holocaust denial is about. There are some who's sole stance on the issue is that gas chambers and only gas chambers didn't occur.

I'm obviously not the only one who finds the gassings to be relevant. That is pretty much the only thing they teach you about the Holocaust.

a) I have some clue b) I don't care too much c) that is off-topic d) It suffices that you, or some others, self-identify as holocaust deniers, so we know that this thread is directed at you.

Can you prove there was a deliberate increase of death?

I can. Maybe in another thread. Do you deny that conditions were such in the ghettos that an increased death rate was to be expected? Talking about food rations and population density for example.

What do those pictures prove?

Are you a holocaust denier? Then that question goes to you as per the OP. Please answer away.
 
It's worse than you think. The Nazis not only tried to keep their prisoners healthy...

How then do you explain the images and video posted in the OP?

(And how do you explain the Event Reports of the Einsatzgruppen, which routinely listed the killings of thousands of Jews?)
 
I already did. Typhus.

Does Typhus really explain the extreme emaciation of these people? You might start your argument with either
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epidemic_typhus
or
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Typhoid_fever
(not sure which desease you are actually talking about; the German "Fleckfieber" links in Wikipedia to "Epidemic Typhus", the German "Typhus" links to "Typhoid fever". While both are often used synonymously in war time reports, they seem to be different diseases, caused by different microbes. I believe Epidemic Typhus is the correct one as it is spread by lice.)
 
As part of a program of debilitating and starving the prisoners, I'll buy "typhus". It's just one more way they killed their charges.
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You shouldn't buy that. Typhus was not a cause for the conditions and the starvation of the inmates, it was a consequence. Yes, many died of Typhus. But why?
It is, by the way, mostly true that the Germans didn't like typhus epidemics even among the jewish internees, as there always was the risk of such a desease spreading to SS men, soldiers and civilians around the camps and ghettos.
 
You shouldn't buy that. Typhus was not a cause for the conditions and the starvation of the inmates, it was a consequence. Yes, many died of Typhus. But why?
It is, by the way, mostly true that the Germans didn't like typhus epidemics even among the jewish internees, as there always was the risk of such a desease spreading to SS men, soldiers and civilians around the camps and ghettos.

I was pointing out that the Nazis were quite willing to let typhus run unchecked in the camps, it made their job easier. I met a camp survivor, 14 yo when she went in, who said that disease was just part of "life" there. (She was a guest speaker in Gordon Mork's class on the topic at Purdue if anyone's interested.)
 
I was pointing out that the Nazis were quite willing to let typhus run unchecked in the camps, it made their job easier. I met a camp survivor, 14 yo when she went in, who said that disease was just part of "life" there. (She was a guest speaker in Gordon Mork's class on the topic at Purdue if anyone's interested.)

Maybe true for some of the camps some of the time.
But still, typhus is no explanation, as far as I can see, for the images in the OP. Typhus does not turn people turn into near-skeletons before they die, for example.
 
It's worse than you think. The Nazis not only tried to keep their prisoners healthy, they aggressively prosecuted crimes in the camps. Compare this with the US administration of Abu Graib, Bagram, Guantanamo, and a gulag of secret prisons.

To verify that the Nazis prosecuted crime in the camps, see articles on Konrad Morgen, the bloodhound judge, who headed more than 800 investigations, at

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georg_Konrad_Morgen

http://www.holocaustresearchproject.org/trials/konradmorgen.html

Ah, Georg Konrad Morgen. Fascinating chap. One of the great ironies of the Nazi Concentration Camp system that they'd punish infractions of the law while exterminating millions. And again, you seem unable to understand that a Work Camp for Prisoners (like Auschwitz III) was very different to a Deathcamp (like Auschwitz Birkenau).

Anyway, Georg Konrad Morgen had some interesting testimony at the Nuremberg Trials.

Georg Konrad Morgen

I asked Wirth whether this report was true and what it meant. To my great astonishment, Wirth admitted it. I asked him why he permitted members of his command to do such things and Wirth then revealed to me that on the Fuehrer's order he had to carry out the extermination of Jews.
Q. Please go on, witness, with what you did.
A. I asked Wirth what this had to do with the Jewish wedding. Then, Wirth described the method by which he carried out the extermination of Jews and he said something like this: "One has to fight the Jews with their own weapons, and one has to cheat them."
Wirth built up an enormous deceptive manoeuvre. He first selected Jews who would, he thought, serve as column leaders, then these Jews brought along other Jews, who worked under them. With those smaller or medium-sized detachments of Jews, he began to build up the extermination camps. He extended this staff, and with them, Wirth himself carried out the extermination.
Wirth said that he had four extermination camps, and that about 5,000 Jews were working at the extermination of Jews and the seizure of Jewish property. In order to win Jews for this business of extermination and plundering of their brethren of race and creed, Wirth gave them every freedom and, so to speak, gave them a financial interest in the spoliation of the dead victims. As a result of this attitude, this extraordinary Jewish wedding had come about.
Then I asked Wirth how he killed Jews with these Jewish agents of his. Wirth described the whole procedure that went off like a film every time. The extermination camps were in the East of the Government General, in big forests or uninhabited waste lands. They were built up like a Potemkin village. The people arriving there had the impression of entering a city or a township. The train drove into what looked like a railroad station. The escorts and the train personnel then left the area. Then the cars were opened and the Jews got out. They were surrounded by these Jewish labour detachments, and Kriminalkommissar Wirth or one of his representatives made a speech. He said: "Jews, you were brought here to be resettled, but before we organize this future Jewish State, you must of course learn how to work. You must learn a new occupation. You will be taught that here. Our routine here is, first, everyone must take off his clothes so that your clothing can be disinfected and you can have a bath so that no epidemics will be brought into the camp."
After he had found such calming words for his victims, they started on the road to death. Men and women were separated. At the first place, one had to give his hat; at the next one, his coat, collar, shirt, down to his shoes and socks. These places were set up like check-rooms, and the person was given a check at each one so that the people believed that they would get their things back. The other Jews had to receive the things and hurry up the new arrivals so that they would not have time to think. The whole thing was like an assembly line. At the last stop they reached a big room, and were told that this was the bath. When the last one was in, the doors were shut and the gas was let into the room.
As soon as death taken place in, the ventilators were started. When the air coup be breathed again, the doors were opened, and the Jewish workers removed the bodies. By means of a special process which Wirth had invented, they were burned in the open air without the use of fuel.
 
Maybe true for some of the camps some of the time.
But still, typhus is no explanation, as far as I can see, for the images in the OP. Typhus does not turn people turn into near-skeletons before they die, for example.

I didn't say it was the only reason people died, just that the Nasties didn't worry about it when it broke out.
 
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