Kopji note. Apoligies for the disorganization of my homework assignment, I was never a very good student and probably won't change now.
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Summary:
convicted mass-murdering terrorist Islamist scum set free and what now? Who pays and how?
personnell should be spelled with one "l"
Judiciary should be capitalized, and only has one "r"
The Fool makes an appearance and seems the wisest so far.
The Buddha mistakes Scottish government for some kind of monarchy and recommends invading Scotland. Or was it Libya?Caustic Logic pot stirring.
Was he suffering enough from cancer?
Beerina 'told us so', a decidedly ominious development.
ponderingturtle offers Stephen Hawking as an example of how doctors fail to see to it that someone dies on time.
decidion should probably be spelled 'decision', just a guess though
comany should be company
Skeptic makes a time stamped prediction that he will live long and prosper
Brainster makes a sensible suggestion that he stops injesting haggis.
From some blog:
Diplomatic relations between Tripoli and Washington hit a set-back earlier this year when a State Department official made caustic comments about a speech in which Gaddafi had called for a 'jihad' against Switzerland.
US energy companies operating in Libya, including Exxon Mobil and ConocoPhillips were warned their interests could suffer as a result. The row was resolved when the State Department official apologised.
Sweet little Switzerland? Like in The Sound of Music? How awful. We were such worms to apoligize. This is Obama's fault(TM).
The Libyan foreign minister — linked to the Lockerbie bombing and an attack on a disco in Berlin that killed American soldiers and expelled from Britain for plotting to kill Libyan dissidents — will be honored this week in Washington by US and Arab business executives...
The refurbishment of Mr Kousa's image began with his appointment as Libya's envoy to talks that led to a $2.7 billion compensation fund for the relatives of the victims of the Lockerbie disaster.
We are not the Evil Empire for nothing.
Caustic congraulates the mods on leaving the thread in American Politics.
Skeptic is offered odds.
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Caustic pot stirring. Will he die in three months or eight?
Cleon is making too much sense when he says this makes no sense. #47 is the first time it is asked if this is a joke.
dtugg falsely asserts that all 'pieces of crap' all die in US prisons
Grenme, an apparent resident of Folsom Prison, takes exception to the claim
[Kopji loses concentration as the discussion drifts to what the US law does rather than what Scottish law does.] ZZZzzzzzzz
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The Rolfe Cat attack
Kopji Questions for later - I thought he was the attack
planner?
"Too bad if you would quite like to know who actually did bomb that plane."
This might be a source of US concern.
#86 funk de fino "It's our law. Deal with it and stop crying."
(I'll hear this many times... Sensible enough)
#89 Rolfe - You can disagree all you like, but it's our law and we're keeping it that way.
(Sensible enough)
#96 Rolfe introduces the idea that despite the conviction in Scottish court, he is innocent.
#97 funk implies something about him being muslim, and that is good enough
Rolfe -
The SCCRC reported that there were six grounds on which the conviction was likely to be unsafe and unsound, and an appeal was in progress but adjourned. It is recognised by those who have perused the evidence presented that the appeal was inevitably going to succeed.
kopji - So far this seems very weak from my pov. Maybe this is a cultural difference that will be hard to overcome between Scotland and the US. In the US a truly innocent person would be released after 20 years and then sue us.
#109 Beerina gets it.
Kopji note to self:
The Scottish judicial system is not respected enough by the Scots to do a good job, nobody agrees with their own system's legal conviction, but we are not to challenge the same flawed system when is considered. This expectation does seem a bit irrational.
#117 Caustic Logic -
I meant to engage angry and ignorant Americans. Was a little upset when it was moved, twice I think, but then it was quickly plopped back here. I wouldn't care now if it was moved, to about anywhere but the CT ghetto. I'll leave it to a pro to figure out just where it best fits.
Well thank you Caustic. If the Evil Empire (that's us) were even half as evil as you think, Scotland's legal system would not even make a snack.
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#140 Rolfe makes the case that the Scottish court system convicted a completely innocent person. (The word you might be looking for is scapegoat).
#148 Shaun from Scotland accuses the US of funding Irish terrorism.
#153 Rolfe - What's not to like?
Kopji - As I mentioned somewhere, despite the generally low opinion of Americans, there is here an almost naive US belief in justice. This may equate to a certain disbelief that for 20 odd years nobody in Scotland cared enough about justice to speak out, even though they knew they were being unjust. A judge or politician could be impeached here for that, it is a very serious accusation to Americans, although apparently not to Scots. page 5
#173 - Rolfe
Documents were sought by the defence that the government was determined would not be released. Even the parts of the appeal that weren't covered by this veil of secrecy were clearly strong enough that the appeal was likely to be successful. Which would leave everyone in the embarrassing position of having 270 unsolved murders on their hands.
Kopji - I must admit that from the Evil Empire's pov, it boggles my admittedly non-political mind as to what massive world shattering secret the Scottish military or government could be hiding from us. #171 Wildcat gets it, certainly by #178
#187 Rolfe - It matters because Frank Duggan is the voice US residents hear...
Kopji - This is not really in the news until recently with our dislike of BP oil, spilling evil Brittish oil all over our American beaches. (And we not profiting).
Anyway - I've never heard of him, he's not doing a very good job. #188 E'J. Armstrong - The deep anti-Britishness of the USA governing bodies is on show yet again...
Kopji - That EJ - He always cracks me up. And actually, this is simple transference of his own hatred. Americans would likely be confused by the hatred directed at them by some forum posters. "Duggan is quite pro-active in making sure only his side of the story gets an airing."
kopji - ZZZzzzz He's way overpaid. This is NOT news in the US.
EJ - "I know its annoying for Usans but there is not going to be any change in the decision. You will just have to suck it up."
Kopji - I feel I need to remark that a common theme that gets repeated a lot is this one yet nobody has complained till now. #201 lionking gets it
#209 Rolfe - There's a lot of serious hypocrisy going on here. The US commentators (up to and including Obama) because they completely fail to acknowledge that it was in the interests of America just as much as anyone else to release Megrahi.
Kopji - I'm sorry Rolfe, but you are wrong on this. I would chalk it up to a cultural misconception that I'm not sure the UKan's are fully getting. Obama would be impeached in a heartbeat if there was evidence that an innocent person was imprisoned for 20 years because nobody was interested in justice. THAT can go in CT. page 6
Well, ok I'm done. If there is something really stunning in the remainder you can give the post number. Sorry for the incomplete assignment but I think I get the drift.
My conclusion stands. If US politicans are demanding an audience, the Scots can probably mark it up to election season here. You see, real justice matters a lot to Americans, not just the appearance of justice to serve some weird political purpose.
This may surprise you, but it might be worth understanding about us.
I mostly ignore the entire discussion that someone was released and lived too long. This seems up to Scottish law and I can accept their verdict. What is harder for me to understand is the sort of lassize faire attitude about justice. If the US is making 'noise', maybe we are under the mistaken impression that anyone there cares. This does not recommend a country.
Sorry if I failed.
