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Who started both World Wars?

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May I suggest that no one even acknowledge any attempts by 9/11 to change the subject until he explains the Phillipine attack, and what this means to zir lies about PH?
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One thing about the diary entry that puzzles me. If the US had fore knoweldge, why isn't the fact that the Japanese fleet had been as sea for 4 days already not mentioned.

And how selective is that diary entry anyway. For all we know, once a week for the previous 3 months there was a note Japanese attack expected within a week.......

If enough people make enough predictions about the same event, hindesight suggests that someone will get it right. Is that any reason to elevate the entry from an educated guess to an informed prediction
 
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TSR said:
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May I suggest that no one even acknowledge any attempts by 9/11 to change the subject until he explains the Phillipine attack, and what this means to zir lies about PH?
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Given what nein11 wrote:
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So you seem to agree that that meeting took place. Fine.

Now, what other targets than PH could Roosevelt have had in mind?
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and the proximity of the Philippines to Japan itself and existing theaters of war (e.g. China), I think we can reasonably conclude that nein11 confabulator didn't even know that the Philippines at the time were American. One extra for the list.
 
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Just like our friend 9/11 Investigator, he can't name a single Jew. He names the big players in the public spotlight, but cannot identify any of the people who supposedly pull the strings.
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LOL. You should read the article, it's full of Jewish names. Incredible article. Astounding, really. Mark Weber is the man !
 
Refering to a point we discussed earlier about Chamberlain being under pressure of 'the Jewish press'

http://www.fpp.co.uk/bookchapters/articles/HowWarsBegin.html

As the newspaper magnate Lord Beaverbrook (later one of Churchill's Cabinet ministers but also most vociferous critic too) wrote in March 1938, "There are twenty thousand German Jews in England -- in the professions, pursuing research, in chemical operations, etcetera. These all work against such an accommodation [with Germany]." "The Jews," the same press lord rasped in another letter from London, "have got a big position in the press here. . . At last I am shaken. The Jews may drive us into war. I do not mean with any conscious purpose of doing so. They do not mean to do it. But unconsciously . . . their political influence is moving us in that direction."* This was the belief of Britain's prime minister Neville Chamberlain; it was the belief of the U.S. Ambassador in Britain, Joseph P. Kennedy, too.
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Given what nein11 wrote:

and the proximity of the Philippines to Japan itself and existing theaters of war (e.g. China), I think we can reasonably conclude that nein11 confabulator didn't even know that the Philippines at the time were American. One extra for the list.
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No, you cannot conclude that.
You WANT to conclude that.

While ddt is compiling an impotent little list of things I might or might not have known before I finally learned them, the list forever to be forgotten on some forum database, I continue with another list of historical facts that will prove far more consequential than ddt's little hate list. Ddt's behavior is how a desperate lefty reacts when he is with his back against the wall.

Toedeledokie, ddt! :D
 
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Belz... said:
Bwahaha! Defeat ? You've already lost.
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Belz... pats himself on the back, gratulating himself before he even fired a bullet himself and hopes that somebody else will do the killing, figuratively speaking. Belz lacks the calibre to do it himself.

Belz... (Belzebub?) is the kind of guy who hands over a reference written by his mother at job interviews.
 
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One thing about the diary entry that puzzles me. If the US had fore knoweldge, why isn't the fact that the Japanese fleet had been as sea for 4 days already not mentioned.
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If the US knew, there would've been better options than to let it happen, such as ambushing the Japanese fleet.
 
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Belz... pats himself on the back, gratulating himself before he even fired a bullet himself and hopes that somebody else will do the killing, figuratively speaking. Belz lacks the calibre to do it himself.
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Why do you refer to your opponents in the third person ?

Belz... (Belzebub?)
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Good. You made the conection. I'll chalk this one as your first deduction.

is the kind of guy who hands over a reference written by his mother at job interviews.
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If you're going to insult me, at least make it good.
 
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LOL. You should read the article, it's full of Jewish names. Incredible article. Astounding, really. Mark Weber is the man !
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I stand corrected. Here is an excerpt:

The prevalent hatred against everything which is in any way connected with German Nazism is further kindled by the brutal policy against the Jews in Germany and by the émigré problem. In this action, various Jewish intellectuals participated: for instance, Bernard Baruch; the Governor of New York State, Lehman; the newly appointed judge of the Supreme Court, Felix Frankfurter; Secretary of the Treasury Morgenthau; and others who are personal friends of President Roosevelt. They want the President to become the champion of human rights, freedom of religion and speech, and the man who in the future will punish trouble-makers. These groups of people who occupy the highest positions in the American government and want to pose as representatives of 'true Americanism' and 'defenders of democracy' are, in the last analysis, connected by unbreakable ties with international Jewry.
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So the Governor of New York, a Supreme Court justice, the Secretary of the Treasury, and some personal friends of Roosevelt were in a meeting with him? That is HIGHLY suspicious! Clearly, the Jews wanted to take over!!!

They weren't doing a very good job, though. "Highest positions in the American government"? Maybe if it was the CHIEF justice of the supreme court, the Secretary of STATE, the Speaker of the House, or someone with, you know, enough political clout to influence the most deeply entrenched and politically powerful US President in history.

What is "international Jewry"? How would you demonstrate whether or not someone has unbreakable ties to it?
 
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No, you cannot conclude that.
You WANT to conclude that.

While ddt is compiling an impotent little list of things I might or might not have known before I finally learned them, the list forever to be forgotten on some forum database, I continue with another list of historical facts that will prove far more consequential than ddt's little hate list.
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Let's fix that for you:
While ddt is compiling a damning list of things I mostly should have known from highschool history class and had forgotten or willfully chose to ignore, I continue with peddling lies and distortions that only go to prove I'm an antisemite and a neo-Nazi.
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That's more like it.

As to my conclusion you didn't know about the Philippines: either you didn't know or your post was JAQing. Either way, it goes on the list.
 
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The point he undoubtedly is going to make is that Saint Adolf struck pre-emptively because he "knew" that perfidious Jozef was going to strike in 1941. Never mind the poor preparations, the fact that half of the SU tanks were not in an operable state, etc. But he thinks by proving that Stalin was planning on striking at Germany, he absolves Hitler from another front he initiated all by himself. Just as poor Adolf only out of pure necessity in a defensive measure took Austria, Sudetenland, Poland, Denmark, Norway, the Low Countries and France. Poor Adolf had no choice. Oh, and the rump Czech state - we should disregard that, that's a measurement error.
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I have no doubt that long term, Stalin was probably planning to attack Nazi Germany. But there is no evidence that an attack was anywhere near imminent in June 1941. And as much as I hate Stalin, I have to admit that his thinking that an attack by Nazi Germany was inevitable somewhere along the line was right. The screwup he made was in timing,he miscalculated how long he could buy off Germany with raw materials,hopefully until Russia was fully rearmed.
 
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I have no doubt that long term, Stalin was probably planning to attack Nazi Germany. But there is no evidence that an attack was anywhere near imminent in June 1941. And as much as I hate Stalin, I have to admit that his thinking that an attack by Nazi Germany was inevitable somewhere along the line was right. The screwup he made was in timing,he miscalculated how long he could buy off Germany with raw materials,hopefully until Russia was fully rearmed.
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If Hitler had behaved like a rational person, Stalin would have been right. He was way premature in attacking the Soviets without sufficient preparations for a winter campaign.

I've heard a couple of reasons for why Hitler attacked when he did. The first is that he thought the British would crumble in despair if they didn't have the hope of rescue from the Soviets. Another, probably more accurate reason was that Hitler was starting to show the symptoms of Parkinson's disease and feared he would die before being able to complete his great conquests.
 
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