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The "Nakba" Myth

The Arabs should have taken that:

In hindsight, dumb. But nobody makes decisions in hindsight and they calculated that a ten-on-one gang up was a sure bet to victory.


First off the Arabs had nothing to do with it. The subject is the Palestinians whom the Jews had planned to kill or expel ever since Herzl dreamed of spiriting them across the border and was put into writing by Jabotinsky in the early 1920s.

The truth of the Palestinian version of the expulsion has been documented by Israeli Jews using declassified Israeli government records. Yes they were murdered or driven out by jewish terrorists. Irgun, Haganah, Stern Gang and others all designated murderers and terrorists. One of their fun tricks was if the Brits arrested one of their members they would set off a bomb in a market to kill the most women and children as possible. This stuff is all in the history books. Try Tom Segev, Ilan Pappe and even Benny Morris if you are unfamiliar with the real history of Israel. Do yourself a favor and purge yourself of the Hasbara == propaganda --- isrealty you have been led to believe.

As to the UN partition plan sort of shown on the map, the land was not the UN's give. And that map was part of a report upon which the UN's sole action was the General Assembly adopting it. Needless to say General Assembly actions have never had all legal authority that is reserved for the Security Counsel.

But wait! THERE'S MORE! The plan did nothing more than offer sovereignty. Sovereignty is not now nor has it ever been ownership. As the Sultan of Turkey responded when Herzl's delegation asked for Palestine, I only rule the land, I do not own the land.

Lets take a serious look at the expulsion. Lets say it had never happened. What would have been the result of the first election? The entire Zionist Enterprise would have been trashcanned. So there was no choice but to get rid of as many voters as possible else it was all a waste of effort. 750,000 expelled is the accepted number of the expelled.

But after they were expelled the Jews of Israel passed laws regarding absentee owners on one hand and on the other murdered anyone trying to return to their property -- anyone trying to cease to be absent. This even applied to those who were not expelled but forced into ghettos where they lived under military curfew for eight years. The curfew only ended after some fifty workers were murdered at one time because the hour had been made earlier and they had not heard of the change. Anyway by 1952 Jews had stolen most of the land under color of law.

So the entire issue boils down to a very simple statement.

Jews stole the land. The owners want it back.

It does not take too much time reading sources like haaretz.com and jpost.com to learn all this stuff. I prefer my sources to be totally biased in favor of Israel.

One more thing. That radio broadcast from the armies attacking Palestine telling the Palestinians to leave. It never happened. That is nothing more than Zionist propaganda.
 
What about learning from the past?

Other than one second rate writer whose only memorable quote is repeated to the point of nausea to support just about any "lesson" the writer wishes to draw from his version of history is there any point to referencing it by inference?
 
A number of posts moved to AAH for the usual stuff; bickering, off-topic, personal attacks, incivility, importing arguments from other places...

I know that the Palestine/Israeli conflict stirs strong emotions in many of you, but you're going to have to keep them in check here on the JREF forums.
Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: Tricky
 
now, back to the Nakba.

it happened. just like the Holocaust happened. folks need to stop denying the suffering of others.
 
now, back to the Nakba.

it happened. just like the Holocaust happened. folks need to stop denying the suffering of others.

Of course the Shoah happened. Shoah and Nakba mean the same thing. The only question is what each consisted of. In Israel there was no expulsion, no murder, no terrorists, no property theft. In comparison there is only one trivial issue that is in question in the matter of the Shoah. When it comes to denial, Israel is working on a law to make observance of the Nakba a crime.
 
Of course the Shoah happened. Shoah and Nakba mean the same thing. The only question is what each consisted of. In Israel there was no expulsion, no murder, no terrorists, no property theft. In comparison there is only one trivial issue that is in question in the matter of the Shoah. When it comes to denial, Israel is working on a law to make observance of the Nakba a crime.
Gee Thunder, it looks like you have a soulmate. Someone else who sees little difference between the Holocaust and the Nakba.
 
Gee Thunder, it looks like you have a soulmate. Someone else who sees little difference between the Holocaust and the Nakba.
sigh....so you are reduced to slagging people by calling them soulmates of a holocaust denier. seriously, have a good hard think about what you posted.

I have never heard the guy say he see's little difference between the two. Maybe you could search out and quote an example? Or maybe you could simply avoid drive-by cheap-shots.
 
sigh....so you are reduced to slagging people by calling them soulmates of a holocaust denier. seriously, have a good hard think about what you posted.

I have never heard the guy say he see's little difference between the two. Maybe you could search out and quote an example? Or maybe you could simply avoid drive-by cheap-shots.
Poat #306 is a good start. I'm sure I can find many, many others, but I'm not sure I can be bothered.
 
Poat #306 is a good start. I'm sure I can find many, many others, but I'm not sure I can be bothered.

please tell me you are joking...

he says "they both happened" and you want to present this as evidence that he has said that there is little difference between the two.

are you serious?

I'm absolutely sure you can't bother looking because you would not find anything to support your cheap slur. But please don't let fear of failure stop you from trying. Sorry to harp on about this but after a while I just get so sick of baseless driveby slurs...like claiming a %^*&ing racist holocaust denier is someones soulmate. Have a good look at yourself.
 
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Gee Thunder, it looks like you have a soulmate. Someone else who sees little difference between the Holocaust and the Nakba.

WOW, gratualtions for sinking lower than Thunder ever did.
 
I've lost count of the "Holocaust, get over it" posts by Parky/Thunder. Not that far away from the views of Matt Giwer. Don't like this opinion? Cry me a river.
 
I've lost count of the "Holocaust, get over it" posts by Parky/Thunder. Not that far away from the views of Matt Giwer.

Coupled with the view that the wrongs done to the Palestinians in the 1940s, however, are for all eternity to be a justification for Palestinian terrorism, hatred, and so on.

Must be one of those instances of "holding Israel to a higher standard", that is, of a deliberate double standard to make the Jews look bad.
 
I've lost count of the "Holocaust, get over it" posts by Parky/Thunder. Not that far away from the views of Matt Giwer. Don't like this opinion? Cry me a river.

like the people that say, Nakba?, get over it.
 
lucky Rocketscientists didnt give up learning from the past even after several fatally failed attempts.....

If every failed rocket killed millions of people, impoverished a country, and put a few other millions in horrible gulags for the rest of their lives, I would say you would agree the rocket scientists should knock it off.

The continued failed attempts to create a socialist utopia are more or less, as far as results are concerned, like rocket scientists randomly launching nuclear-tipped missiles at populated cities hoping that, dammit, next time the nuke will just kill all the rats and bugs and leave the humans alone, like it's supposed to, because some guy who ran a newspaper in the 1860s thought so.

Hey, what's not to like? Their heart is in the right place! They are trying to make a pest-free city! So what if a few lousy billions of people have their lives ruined? It's nobody we know, anyway.
 

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