William Parcher
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Continuation - The PG Film - Bob Heironimus and Patty
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Aww, how cute, a diorama! Takes me right back to second grade, except here in California, there was a Mission in the center, the redwoods were replaced by olive trees, and Bigfoot was replaced by a Catholic priest flogging a group of Native Americans and giving them smallpox-tainted blankets
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Thank you, WP. That has way less detail than I remember. Now I remember what I wanted. Do you remember a slightly diagonal (not straight over) aerial shot of the film site that was posted here, possibly with Patty's pathyway indicated on it? I know we had that. My purpose was to have a clear look from a good angle at the cover Patty had available to disappear in if she wanted to.
Also, I saw the BFRO was back up. Check my doc thread for your timeline.
William Parcher
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This diagram was put together by Chris Murphy. The red line is Patty's path and the blue line is Roger's path. The photo is not actually an aerial shot - it was taken by somebody standing on the hillside (mountain) in 1971.
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Roger Patterson could have taken the short route to the trees, in making the "fake trackway"...after the point where the filming stopped......but instead he took the very much-so longer route.
I guess he was going for 'Mr. Back-ache'.
I guess he was going for 'Mr. Back-ache'.
LTC8K6
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Roger Patterson could have taken the short route to the trees, in making the "fake trackway"...after the point where the filming stopped......but instead he took the very much-so longer route.
I guess he was going for 'Mr. Back-ache'.
To date, as far as I know, there is no evidence of any trackway. None.
All we have are 4 tracks on a short film clip, and even that may have been Roger's practice round.
I suppose if you want, you could stretch 4 tracks into a trackway, but it's nothing like what is claimed to have existed.
We had many people there with cameras, and yet there is no film of any trackway.
William Parcher
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Green goes to the sandbar and films McClarin walking in the trackway of Patty as a recreation run. Yet he never points the camera at the ground to document what he sees. It's like unbelievable.
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John Green wrote in his book that he, and others, watched the entire 2nd reel....(which showed the trackway, and Roger and Bob working around it)..at DeAtley's home, on Sunday, the 22nd.
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Bob Titmus, Jim McClarin, and possibly others, went to the film site shortly after the filming.....saw the trackway....and came away from the scene thinking that the film was legitimate.
There most certainly is evidence supporting the existence of a very long trackway. It's the words, and actions, of several people who were there at the time.
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The sheer volume of special pleading and ad hominems required to keep the bigfoot myth afloat are enough to prove to trained thinker that, to a very very small margin of error, PG is a hoax. Arguing with a person who like Sweaty resorts to these is like lending an ear to a rat-sized yapper making a nuisance of itself from behind a screen door.
Having said that I personally hope the debate never rests because it is so useful when I teach logic to my 12th graders.
Having said that I personally hope the debate never rests because it is so useful when I teach logic to my 12th graders.
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Green and McClarin went there about 8 months after the filming...and they said that most of the tracks had faded-away....but some were still visible.
William Parcher
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No.
The people who thought the film and the trackway were legitimate (a real Bigfoot) were already Bigfoot believers before they walked out onto that sandbar.
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There is no evidence of such claims.
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William Parcher wrote:
None-the-less.....The people who thought the film and the trackway were legitimate.....saw the trackway.
That alone is evidence that there was a trackway.....as described by Roger, Bob, and the others who saw it first-hand, and who saw it on the 2nd reel.
I'll check Green's book again, later....but I know I've read that John Green has stated that he watched the entire 2nd reel, at some point in time.
None-the-less.....The people who thought the film and the trackway were legitimate.....saw the trackway.
That alone is evidence that there was a trackway.....as described by Roger, Bob, and the others who saw it first-hand, and who saw it on the 2nd reel.
I'll check Green's book again, later....but I know I've read that John Green has stated that he watched the entire 2nd reel, at some point in time.
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LTC8K6
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They may have seen a trackway, but there is no evidence connecting any trackway they may have seen to the PGF.
John Green may be conflating things for all we know. He may be talking about the short clips that we have all seen. One with 4 tracks, and one with Roger pouring a cast. Again, I know of no definitive connection between either clip and the PGF. I agree that both clips belong together and are part of the same scene.
I also think this cast has either been used to make the print, or has been set back in the print for filming. It was not just poured and then filmed.
The print also appears to have been dug out.
If you are going to accept someone merely saying soemthing as proof, then you already have proof that the PGF is real.
John Green may be conflating things for all we know. He may be talking about the short clips that we have all seen. One with 4 tracks, and one with Roger pouring a cast. Again, I know of no definitive connection between either clip and the PGF. I agree that both clips belong together and are part of the same scene.
I also think this cast has either been used to make the print, or has been set back in the print for filming. It was not just poured and then filmed.
The print also appears to have been dug out.
If you are going to accept someone merely saying soemthing as proof, then you already have proof that the PGF is real.
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actually, Titmus did find and follow the trackway, and cast 10 prints from it. Laverty also saw it, and photographed some of it.
What appears to have happened is that when Patterson and Gimlin manufactured the deep fake trackway (an inch deep, according to Laverty and the casts and photos) probably on October 20, they did not follow PattyBob's route exactly...possibly because MissPattyBob's huge rubber clownshoes didn't make much of an impression in the soil, and because many days had passed since the filming, so it was hard to follow in all parts of the sandbar. This would explain why, although McLaren may have followed the persistent remains of the deep fake trackway 8 months later, his route, as seen on the Green film, doesn't match that taken by PattyBob on the PGF, whose faint traces would have long disappeared.
PattyBob did not make the persistent, obvious, deep trackway; Patterson and Gimlin did.
What appears to have happened is that when Patterson and Gimlin manufactured the deep fake trackway (an inch deep, according to Laverty and the casts and photos) probably on October 20, they did not follow PattyBob's route exactly...possibly because MissPattyBob's huge rubber clownshoes didn't make much of an impression in the soil, and because many days had passed since the filming, so it was hard to follow in all parts of the sandbar. This would explain why, although McLaren may have followed the persistent remains of the deep fake trackway 8 months later, his route, as seen on the Green film, doesn't match that taken by PattyBob on the PGF, whose faint traces would have long disappeared.
PattyBob did not make the persistent, obvious, deep trackway; Patterson and Gimlin did.
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LTC8K6
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We have only a statement from Titmus, which completely disagrees with Roger and Bob's accounts, and a few photos of some tracks from Laverty.
The casts don't mean much, we know there were bigfoot tracks all over the Bluff Creek area.
Also Titmus didn't seem to mention seeing tracks that had already been cast. He should have found Roger's casting spots.
Try again.
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