Continuation - The PG Film - Bob Heironimus and Patty

[kitakaze]

Check out the fruits of a rainy Saturday afternoon...

The two non-Patty images have been altered. The image I have of BH at Cow Camp was from my collection of photos from the filming of of the NatGeo special Is It Real? The original image had BH with the suit head off as he was claustrophobic with the mask on and could not continue filming walking scenes keep the mask on for extended periods. I crudely took another shot where he had the head on and plopped it onto the image to effectively put the suit bck together. Phil did not have time to put fur on the stomach after he put the boobs on so I just air brushed where the suit had no hair there. I also brought down the colour saturation so that the reddish brown would not be distracting. The other image is the suit from the 1953 B-movie Robot Monster by Phil Tucker. The creature suit had a silly space helmet on it, so I simply took a similarly angled Patty, yoinked her head and stuck it on the Robot Monster with a tiny bit of airbrush to cover up the little white bit where the fit wasn't perfect.

The recreation I will have done with Phil will include one head like the following and one head with a face made from leather. This is actually not the Cow Camp suit, but rather a bust made from the same mold and with closer matching hair colour...

 

[tube]

An ode to Vaughn Bode'.

 

[kitakaze]

Love for rare Pumas are the sign of uncommon style and wit.

Bode da lizard, man.

My milkshake brings all the boys to the yard...

 

[AtomicMysteryMonster]

The original image had BH with the suit head off as he was claustrophobic with the mask on and could not continue filming walking scenes keep the mask on for extended periods.

How long were these extended periods?

I crudely took another shot where he had the head on and plopped it onto the image to effectively put the suit bck together. Phil did not have time to put fur on the stomach after he put the boobs on so I just air brushed where the suit had no hair there. I also brought down the colour saturation so that the reddish brown would not be distracting.

Maybe it's due to the angle, but the Cow Camp suit seems dwarf Patty in bulk.

The other image is the suit from the 1953 B-movie Robot Monster by Phil Tucker. The creature suit had a silly space helmet on it, so I simply took a similarly angled Patty, yoinked her head and stuck it on the Robot Monster with a tiny bit of airbrush to cover up the little white bit where the fit wasn't perfect.

Very interesting! Would it be possible for you to post or link us to the original, unaltered image as well? This makes me want to rewatch clips from the rarely seen "special edition" of the film that was shown on MTV in the 80's.

On a related note, pages 164-171 of Cheap tricks and class acts by John Johnson have lots of great information about gorilla suits, including the one used in "Robot Monster."

 

[LTC8K6]

Tube, without an animated gif, it's just not the same.

 

[SweatyYeti]

Thanks for the image, kit.......

In addition to the difference in the elbow-joint location.....notice the significant difference in Bob's and Patty's head/neck.....Patty's head projects forward, with the lower jaw 'well clear' of the body...

....while Bob's head/lower jaw looks as..... 'Snug as Bug......in a RUG".


I CHALLENGE kitakaze to produce a picture of Heironimus, which replicates the location of the ELBOW, relative to other points on Patty's body...such as the 'eyes'....the 'knee joint'...'vertical center-line of body'....and the 'bottom of the feet'.

By 'location', I mean 'lengths to the various points, listed'.


kitakaze will never produce such an image.

 

[SweatyYeti]

Tube, without an animated gif, it's just not the same.

LTC....with, or without an animated-gif....Bob and Patty....just aren't the same!!

 

[SweatyYeti]

kitakaze wrote:

With regards to Patty's finger bending and asking simple questions about it, there is only evasion and deception on the part of SweatyYeti...

With regards to Patty's fingers BEND-ing.....I have ONLY....."TWO BIG BEND-ING THUMBS UP"....for that!

He has a lot of trouble addressing basic problems...

1) If Patty's fingers appear to bend down by her leg, why can't the bending be from a loose glove touching the leg as it swings by?

WRONG, dude....I've already addressed that specific point. Happy hunting!

2) Why couldn't a hand not fully in a glove that has finger joints make the fingers bend in the way we see?

You think that is a possible explanation....then feel free to go right ahead and SHOW how it can be.

3) Why can't Sweaty explain that if he never meant Bob Heironimus in Phil Morris' recreation suit had hand extensions in the suit, why did he literally say he "had hand extensions in the suit"?

I've said that the suit has hand extensions in it, because the suit extends the length of Bob's arms/hands.

 

[kitakaze]

WRONG, dude....I've already addressed that specific point. Happy hunting!

Sweaty, I do not remember you effectively ruling out contact with the leg. Moreover, certainly you must agree that many people reading have never seen you do that. If you did take out contact with the leg, why can't you simply explain how you did it?

You think that is a possible explanation....then feel free to go right ahead and SHOW how it can be.

Tube did it for me.

I've said that the suit has hand extensions in it, because the suit extends the length of Bob's arms/hands.

Just the fact that you think you could pass that off and think people might not see you as an obvious liar is hilarious.

 

[SweatyYeti]

kitakaze wrote:

is hilarious.

Bob-in-a-Morris-suit is hilarious.

 

[Apology]

I still see no difference between "finger-bending" and "finger-straightening", since in order to straighten, a finger must be bent first.

I also fail to see how and where the doll-hand video was manipulated. It's a doll-hand, what's to manipulate? Of course someone had to move the doll, it's not like it's going to move on its own!

Sorry, Sweaty, your perceived "big win" over the skeptics is still looking like a fail to me.

 

[SweatyYeti]

I still see no difference between "finger-bending" and "finger-straightening", since in order to straighten, a finger must be bent first.

I also fail to see how and where the doll-hand video was manipulated. It's a doll-hand, what's to manipulate? Of course someone had to move the doll, it's not like it's going to move on its own!

Sorry, Sweaty, your perceived "big win" over the skeptics is still looking like a fail to me.

That's o.k., Apology.

I expect next-to-nothing from the "skeptics", as far as them admitting to any agreement, with my analysis. So, I'm not shooken-up over it.


You obviously don't understand what I've written, about Patty's fingers bending...and the 'doll hand illusion'.....but I explained my analysis very thoroughly, in several posts. So if read, or re-read them, you might understand it.
It's all very simple, actually.

 

[kitakaze]

This image is for Bigfoot proponents that didn't know Ray Wallace was hoaxing in the area where Bluff Creek was in the summer of 1967...

 

[Apology]

That's o.k., Apology.

I expect next-to-nothing from the "skeptics", as far as them admitting to any agreement, with my analysis. So, I'm not shooken-up over it.


You obviously don't understand what I've written, about Patty's fingers bending...and the 'doll hand illusion'.....but I explained my analysis very thoroughly, in several posts. So if read, or re-read them, you might understand it.
It's all very simple, actually.

Why don't you just restate your hypothesis now? I've looked through the last few pages, and I've been unable to find what you're referring to. Can't you summarize your argument for me? I'd like to try and keep up with what's happening, but I don't have time to read the forums every day, nor do I have time to go back +40 pages over multiple threads. Bigfoot just doesn't mean as much to me as it apparently means to you.

 

[DennyT]

kitakaze: there is a story out there, per Daniel Perez, that Scott Herriott called Philip Morris in 2004 and Morris told him he sent the suit to Roger Patterson on approval, and that he never got paid.
Can you check this out?

 

[DennyT]

I wonder if these tracks were actually made by Roger himself. I think they probably were. Supposedly Patterson and Gimlin were at Mt. St. Helens when the call came from John Green that there were tracks at Bluff Creek. But the story has certain inconsistencies, as I recall. If we assume that Patterson was committed to Bluff Creek (which he seems to have been, having visited there on several occasions) for his film, then either he made the tracks, or he had Wallace do it, in either case, then why would he have been wasting time and money at Mt. St. Helens? I don't think he was at Mt. St. Hellens, I think he was at Bluff Creek. I think probably Patterson got some stompers from Wallace...god knows Wallace had enough of them. And Patterson and Gimlin were the ones who made the tracks at Bluff Creek. Just another thing to ask Gimlin about, I guess.

 

[SweatyYeti]

Why don't you just restate your hypothesis now? I've looked through the last few pages, and I've been unable to find what you're referring to. Can't you summarize your argument for me? I'd like to try and keep up with what's happening, but I don't have time to read the forums every day, nor do I have time to go back +40 pages over multiple threads. Bigfoot just doesn't mean as much to me as it apparently means to you.

I'll post some links to several of my previous posts, Apology....since I've explained it all in quite a bit of detail, in those posts.

I can do that either later tonight, or tomorrow.


Actually...I can post one link, right now....Post #3641....the colorful post, at the top of the page has a fairly in-depth explanation...


http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=132900&page=92


Some of my posts on the subject are in the "Patterson-Gimlin Film Part 3" thread....so, that's probably why you weren't finding very many.

 

[kitakaze]

I need some help from the board. Does anyone have a picture of the PGF film site model that is on display at the Willow Creek Bigfoot Museum. I know we've posted it many times, but I can't seem to find it now. Also, has anuone noticed the BFRO website is down and has been for a few days at least?

 

[kitakaze]

kitakaze: there is a story out there, per Daniel Perez, that Scott Herriott called Philip Morris in 2004 and Morris told him he sent the suit to Roger Patterson on approval, and that he never got paid.
Can you check this out?

I've already spoken with Scott about his call to Phil in 2004. He never said anything about not getting paid. He got a postal money order and sent the suit. Roger tried to get him to send the suit first and then send him a cheque if he liked it, which Phil thought was hilarious. Bad cheques were Roger's thing.

 

[kitakaze]

I'll post some links to several of my previous posts, Apology....since I've explained it all in quite a bit of detail, in those posts.

I can do that either later tonight, or tomorrow.

Actually...I can post one link, right now....Post #3641....the colorful post, at the top of the page has a fairly in-depth explanation...

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=132900&page=92

Some of my posts on the subject are in the "Patterson-Gimlin Film Part 3" thread....so, that's probably why you weren't finding very many.

Apology, check this out. Sweaty suffers from a pronounced case of Ballzheimer's. He often forgets things he has written in the past and screws himself up with contradictions, like when he said CC Bob had hand extensions inside the suit Phil made and got caught lying. Sweaty refused to give an answer about Patty's fingers bending. He said he already answered it. I don't think Sweaty has ever effectively ruled out contact with the leg causing the bending. I don't think Sweaty even remembers himself. If Sweaty had dealt with it effectively, he could answer the question right now instead of refusing to. He does that a lot. If you ask Sweaty now why the finger bending could not be from contact with the leg or a glove with joints, he can't answer because he doesn't know. The more you ask him, the more he will dance around it and refuse to answer. It's really quite funny to watch.