Who started both World Wars?

[aggle-rithm]

Actually, multiculturalism goes a long way towards global understanding, something that seems decidedly alien to you.

It can also be highly practical. If the Nazis hadn't persecuted the Slavs in the Baltic states, they would have been happy to put on German uniforms and help fight against Stalin.

But...we couldn't have that. Racial purity is just too important.

 

[aggle-rithm]

He was a rich and powerful man, becoming even more powerful after the Roosevelt gang had gone.

Yes, right. Roosevelt's gang of Jews. Still can't name any of them?

 

[TSR]

I know that very well, but we were talking about the deportation of Poles before Barbarossa, remember?

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No, you added "before Barbarossa" only just a few posts ago.
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My original question was: "What relocation did the Germans do to the Poles?"

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See? You even admit it.
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Sneakingly confusing Poles and Jews.

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There *were* Polish Jews, you know...
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The real answer is: 0 Poles were deported, at least before Barbarossa, making a mockery of Lebensraum BS.

Wrong. And for the second time:

"Between 1939 and 1945, at least 1.5 million Polish citizens were deported to German territory for forced labor"

Plus close to 2 million non-Jewish Polish civilians killed.

And then there were those pesky 3 million Polish Jews...

 

[ddt]

I know that very well, but we were talking about the deportation of Poles before Barbarossa, remember?

My original question was: "What relocation did the Germans do to the Poles?"

Then you quote Nixkor: "T/362 shows that up to 15 November 1940 nearly
300,000 Polish deportees were transferred into the Generalgouvernement area."

Sneakingly confusing Poles and Jews.

The real answer is: 0 Poles were deported, at least before Barbarossa, making a mockery of Lebensraum BS.

Read the whole verdict and it's clear it does not confuse Jews and non-Jewish Poles. Exactly as the Nazis did, the verdict distinguishes between the two. From the verdict:

And this is what Heydrich said about the Poles:

"About the development of former Poland, the trend of
thought is that the former German districts will become
German, and, in addition, a foreign language district will
be set up, with Cracow at its capital... The solution of the
Polish problem, as has been repeatedly explained, will be
carried out by distinguishing between the stratum of leaders
(Polish intelligentsia) and the lowest stratum, that of the
labourers.

Now Heydrich wouldn't confuse the "Jewish problem" with the "Polish problem", would he?

 

[aggle-rithm]

And then there were those pesky 3 million Polish Jews...

They were in 3 million unrelated accidents.

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

They were in 3 million unrelated accidents.

They all fell down the up escalator while carrying katanas unsheathed. In the accident they managed to stab themselves in the back fatally at least a dozen times. They then hid their bodies so they wouldn't be found and the events mis-interpreted by some racist Anglos looking to pin the deeds on the peaceloving Führer.

 

[9/11-investigator]

Actually, multiculturalism goes a long way towards global understanding, something that seems decidedly alien to you.

You make the silly mistake by assuming that after 2 distinct groups of people finally understand each other that they will start making love to each other.

What really happens is that 2 distinct groups on one territory start to compete with each other. That's what history teaches us. It does not matter whether Jews/Palestinians, Christians/Muslims everywhere (take Lebanon), the 3 muslim factions in Iraq, Turks/Kurds, Serbs/Croats/Albanians, Hutu's/Tutsi's, Germans/Poles, etc., etc., they compete, fight and in the end separate.

Unfortunately for hopeless naiv people like Belz, the drive for power is much stronger than love. The problem for us is that we are saddled with so many Belz-like people, that they threaten to draw us with them into the abyss. They are so blinded by their beliefs that no reason or lessons from history enter the dim realm of their brains. Belz and his palls here (as far as they are not Jews) are True Believers, Fundamentalists, and they will only face reality when it is too late.

 

[aggle-rithm]

You make the silly mistake by assuming that after 2 distinct groups of people finally understand each other that they will start making love to each other.

What really happens is that 2 distinct groups on one territory start to compete with each other. That's what history teaches us. It does not matter whether Jews/Palestinians, Christians/Muslims everywhere (take Lebanon), the 3 muslim factions in Iraq, Turks/Kurds, Serbs/Croats/Albanians, Hutu's/Tutsi's, Germans/Poles, etc., etc., they compete, fight and in the end separate.

Unfortunately for hopeless naiv people like Belz, the drive for power is much stronger than love. The problem for us is that we are saddled with so many Belz-like people, that they threaten to draw us with them into the abyss. They are so blinded by their beliefs that no reason or lessons from history enter the dim realm of their brains. Belz and his palls here (as far as they are not Jews) are True Believers, Fundamentalists, and they will only face reality when it is too late.

I'm beginning to see why you hate America so much. It proves your pessimistic world-view wrong.

 

[9/11-investigator]

I'm beginning to see why you hate America so much. It proves your pessimistic world-view wrong.

No it does not. The only reason why it is still quiet in America is because the Europeans are still in the majority. According to the latest projections however the Europeans will constitute 10% of the population at 2100 and minority status around 2020 (plus or minus a few years).

If you think that no accidents will happen down the road then you are naiv. Accidents like ethnic competition.

Ever heard of the Tea Party movement? Of course you have, you hate them. Ever noticed that it is an almost pure white movement? Of course you have, that's why you hate them. Nevertheless it is not an explicit white movement. It is about anger concerning government mismanagement and expansion. It is not racist. In fact, it's leaders are desperately looking for Black or Jewish speakers, but unfortunately non is available. Why would they? The Blacks are taking advantage of an ever expanding government, via 'handouts', healthcare, etc. Affirmative action and stuff.

At some point down the road the Teapartiers will finally acknowledge that being a member of the TPM and being white is one and the same thing.

They are almost there, consider what Mark Williams wrote recently (scroll down to dear mr Lincoln):

http://blog.reidreport.com/2010/07/...tes-open-letter-to-lincoln-from-the-coloreds/

A fictituous letter written by Precious Ben Jealous, Tom’s Nephew NAACP Head Colored Person.

Ben Jealous is head of the NAACP, a black racist organization, once founded by Jews and often led by them. He looks surprisingly white. About Benjamin Jealous: Jealous is President of the Rosenberg Foundation. No further questions your honor.

But to come back to the original point, at some point in time larger numbers of organized whites (like the TPM or some other organization of the future) will refuse to fool themselves any longer.

That will be the beginning of the end of America. Comparable with the moment that communist Serbs considered themselves Serbs and communist Croats considered themselves Croats. And decided to start a land grab.

Mind you: Croats, Serbs and Bosniak muslims were all white and Slavs. Nevertheless they went at each others throats. The ethno-cultural differences between the constituting groups in America are far larger.

Good luck to you.

 

[aggle-rithm]

No it does not. The only reason why it is still quiet in America is because the Europeans are still in the majority. According to the latest projections however the Europeans will constitute 10% of the population at 2100 and minority status around 2020 (plus or minus a few years).

If you think that no accidents will happen down the road then you are naiv. Accidents like ethnic competition.

Europeans are no longer in the majority where I live.

You see a lot more people of color in positions of authority and in the public eye. They do the same jobs that used to be filled exclusively by white people, in exactly the same way.

Life goes merrily on as before.

Ever heard of the Tea Party movement? Of course you have, you hate them.

I do?

Ever noticed that it is an almost pure white movement? Of course you have, that's why you hate them. Nevertheless it is not an explicit white movement. It is about anger concerning government mismanagement and expansion. It is not racist. In fact, it's leaders are desperately looking for Black or Jewish speakers, but unfortunately non is available. Why would they? The Blacks are taking advantage of an ever expanding government, via 'handouts', healthcare, etc. Affirmative action and stuff.

At some point down the road the Teapartiers will finally acknowledge that being a member of the TPM and being white is one and the same thing.

They are almost there, consider what Mark Williams wrote recently:

http://blog.reidreport.com/2010/07/...tes-open-letter-to-lincoln-from-the-coloreds/

A fictituous letter written by Precious Ben Jealous, Tom’s Nephew NAACP Head Colored Person.

Ben Jealous is head of the NAACP, a black racist organization, once founded by Jews and often led by them.

I hate to sound like a broken record, but...Can you name these Jews?

He looks surprisingly white. About Benjamin Jealous: Jealous is President of the Rosenberg Foundation. No further questions your honor.

But to come back to the original point, at some point in time larger numbers of organized whites (like the TPM or some other organization of the future) will refuse to fool themselves any longer.

That will be the beginning of the end of America. Comparable with the moment that communist Serbs considered themselves Serbs and communist Croats considered themselves Croats. And decided to start a land grab.

Mind you: Croats, Serbs and Bosniak muslims were all white and Slavs. Nevertheless they went at each others throats. The ethno-cultural differences between the constituting groups in America are far larger.

Good luck to you.

I live in America, you don't. You are wrong.

 

[9/11-investigator]

I hate to sound like a broken record, but...Can you name these Jews?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Association_for_the_Advancement_of_Colored_People

The conference resulted in a more influential and diverse organization, where the leadership was predominantly white and heavily Jewish American. In fact, at its founding, the NAACP had only one African American on its executive board, Du Bois himself. It did not elect a black president until 1975, although executive directors had been African American. The Jewish community contributed greatly to the NAACP's founding and continued financing. Jewish historian Howard Sachar writes in his book A History of Jews in America of how, "In 1914, Professor Emeritus Joel Spingarn of Columbia University became chairman of the NAACP and recruited for its board such Jewish leaders as Jacob Schiff, Jacob Billikopf, and Rabbi Stephen Wise."[13] Early Jewish-American co-founders included Julius Rosenwald, Lillian Wald, Rabbi Emil G. Hirsch and Wise.

The NAACP was founded to further Jewish interests, meaning pushing back whites, a process near completion.

I live in America, you don't. You are wrong.

You completely ignore the points I make.
Wrong thread anyway.
Let's go back to Dolfie.

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

The NAACP was founded to further Jewish interests, meaning pushing back whites, a process near completion.

You are starting to give racists a bad name, nutz/11.

 

[aggle-rithm]

You completely ignore the points I make.

Excellent suggestion.

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Excellent suggestion.

First thing he's said that makes sense.

 

[dafydd]

Yes, right. Roosevelt's gang of Jews. Still can't name any of them?

You must be joking.That would mean opening a history book and reading big words,instead of cutting and pasting from far right websites.

 

[SpitfireIX]

The prof? No.

His landing craft was about to hit the beach so he told his men to get ready, and his machine gunner, who was right in front of him, decided to stand up and sling the machine gun over his shoulder. Just then they hit the beach, and Prof. R was thrown forward, getting a face-full of machine-gun butt. He woke up two days later aboard a hospital ship, missing all of his teeth. (Ow!)

 

[Tolls]

I agree that after 1940 and certainly after Barbarossa things turned vicious on all sides. I am interested though in the deportation and other behavior of the Germans before May 1940. When I read Hitler's speech of October 6, 1939, a few weeks after the completion of the Polish campaign, he comes across as a, may I say, decent guy?

Yes, the same decent chap who "mistakenly" invaded Czechoslovakia 6 months earlier after guaranteeing he would do no such thing only 6 months prior to that.

By the way, do you think the allies were correct not to trust a word he said, based on the events of March 1939? I can't help but feeling my posts regarding this seem to be slipping your notice. I feel it's a rather important question, considering this thread is supposedly about who started the 2nd world war.

 

[Belz...]

You make the silly mistake

Again with the insults while I'm trying to have a reasonable discussion. Is it some sort of illness ?

by assuming that after 2 distinct groups of people finally understand each other that they will start making love to each other.

That's funny, I don't remember saying or implying this. You must either be high or seriously impaired in your ability to understand English.

What really happens is that 2 distinct groups on one territory start to compete with each other. That's what history teaches us.

No, it doesn't. There are plenty of countries with distinct, even grouped ethnicities, and even though they aren't "in love" with one another, they don't compete.

It does not matter whether Jews/Palestinians, Christians/Muslims everywhere (take Lebanon), the 3 muslim factions in Iraq, Turks/Kurds, Serbs/Croats/Albanians, Hutu's/Tutsi's, Germans/Poles, etc., etc., they compete, fight and in the end separate.

French/English Canadians ?

Unfortunately for hopeless naiv people like Belz, the drive for power is much stronger than love.

Pessimism and cynicism have always been inferior philosophies to realism and even optimism, because they twist reality to suit their pre-determined conclusions. You're the naive one.

The problem for us is that we are saddled with so many Belz-like people, that they threaten to draw us with them into the abyss.

Perhaps I should be gassed, then...

They are so blinded by their beliefs that no reason or lessons from history enter the dim realm of their brains.

What beliefs ? You're so obsessed with "winning" this debate that you're forgetting to actually read what people write, prefering to invent it. Why don't you simply stick to what I say rather than making it up ?

 

[dafydd]

Again with the insults while I'm trying to have a reasonable discussion. Is it some sort of illness ?



That's funny, I don't remember saying or implying this. You must either be high or seriously impaired in your ability to understand English.



No, it doesn't. There are plenty of countries with distinct, even grouped ethnicities, and even though they aren't "in love" with one another, they don't compete.



French/English Canadians ?



Pessimism and cynicism have always been inferior philosophies to realism and even optimism, because they twist reality to suit their pre-determined conclusions. You're the naive one.



Perhaps I should be gassed, then...



What beliefs ? You're so obsessed with "winning" this debate that you're forgetting to actually read what people write, prefering to invent it. Why don't you simply stick to what I say rather than making it up ?

Try typing slowly,911 can't read very fast.

 

[ddt]

We're at 1900 posts in this thread, and we've seen a lot of ignorance from our esteemed interlocutor, nein/11 confabulator, on many important points of WW1 and WW2 history. I suggest we compile a list of those, as a reminder, and keep it updated. Here's my first shot at it, from memory and the last couple of pages.

World War One:
- Zimmermann Telegram

World War Two:
- Treaty of Frankfurt 1871 and its terms
- Polish basic history, e.g., Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth and Polish Partitions
- Ethnic make-up of Poland inter-war
- Polish-Russian war and Peace of Riga
- The General-Government
- Generalplan Ost, both the plans and the executed mass expulsions
- Czech basic history
- Oderberg & Teschen were in Czechoslovakia, and had never been German
- Sudetenland never was part of Germany
- Nazi occupation of the Czech rump state in March 1939
- Operation Tannenbaum (invasion plans of Switzerland)