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Banned Book:The Hoax of the Twentieth Century

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Mondial said:
When it comes to freedom of speech the only difference between nazis and Jews is one of honesty. The nazis said they supported national socialism not democracy so you would expect to be banned. Jews say they support democracy but if you publicly say the holocaust is false they want you sent to jail. They are forever criticising nazism (which hasn't existed since 1945) yet they don't support freedom of speech on the holocaust issue. Jews are the big two faced hypocrites of this world. www.codoh.com
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Dude, the people who have forbidden nazism in Germany are - SURPRISE! - the German people themselves. The people who made it illegal to deny the holocaust in Germany are - SUPRISE! - the German people themselves.

This in country with a notable shortage (hmm, how did that happen again?) of jewish inhabitants.


In country with a much higher percentage jewish population and which you and your ilk tell me is dominated by the jews (said country being the US of A,) there are NO laws against holocaust denial.

I think someone's real-o-meter is in need of calibration.
 
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Mondial said:
To the ignoramuses who are trying to say The Hoax of the Twentieth Century (http://vho.org/GB/Books/thottc/) hasn't been banned you are dead wrong. This book is banned in any country that has laws against holocaust denial. You don't have to take my word for it. Simply contact the consulates of any of the countries listed. For instance, call-write-email your nearest German embassy telling them you wish to send a friend in Germany a copy of a book called The Hoax of the Twentieth Century and is it legal there as you have heard they have laws against holocaust denial. This book has been banned in Germany for decades now.
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You can borrow a copy from The German national library. Please note that is is a German language translation produced and printed in GERMANY.

If, however you use that book to promote hatred against a segment of the population, then Paragraph 130 of the German Book of Law says you can be sent to jail for from 3 months to 5 years. That is a hate speech law.

Paragraph 194 would allow someone (with a personal stake) to have the book forbidden.

However, I can't find anywhere in Germany that says the book in question was forbidden. Here's a site with a bunch of forbidden books on it, but Mr. Butz didn't seem to have made the grade - though his hero Hitler did.
 
Meadmaker said:
Well, yeah, but, I mean, uhh, ya know, they only stock it in a FOREIGN LANGUAGE. Who the heck can read that stuff? It's the same thing as banning, really.

P.S.

Game, set and match to MortFurd.
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Yeah, well, that's what I like about american neu-nazis. They all think the nazis were such swell guys and want to be just like them, but can't speak a word of the language.
 
MortFurd said:
You can borrow a copy from The German national library. Please note that is is a German language translation produced and printed in GERMANY.

If, however you use that book to promote hatred against a segment of the population, then Paragraph 130 of the German Book of Law says you can be sent to jail for from 3 months to 5 years. That is a hate speech law.

Paragraph 194 would allow someone (with a personal stake) to have the book forbidden.

However, I can't find anywhere in Germany that says the book in question was forbidden. Here's a site with a bunch of forbidden books on it, but Mr. Butz didn't seem to have made the grade - though his hero Hitler did.
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[Mondial] Yeah, but.... That's not from the 40s, and that's not American. I meant 1940s and 50s in America books that are banned in Germany and uh, er, stuff like that.... [/Mondial]

Corsair's been asking this since Pg 1, I think.... Where's the actual proof that these are "banned" books? Looks like Canada's been answered. Now Germany.

Gee, Mondial.... seems one of your hate sites let you down and led you down the garden path, again. It's like they have guys over there writing crap just to trip up you and Scrappy and Scooby (or whatever their names are - dontcha just love neo-nazis with cutesy-poo nicknames), so you can expound on it and trip yourselves up in their lies.
 
C'mon, Mondial didn't do any research himself, he read his argument elsewhere, it was fed to him and he comes here and regurgitates it.

Just like any poster who comes here full to the brim with crap from extremist political/economic/conspiracy sites, they merely repeat what someone else has told them.

Then, of course, they become amazed or indignant (or amazingly indignant) when the rubbish they have been repeating is shown for what it is.

The one thing I can't fathom in all the kinds of 'trutherist' type postings we see here, is why they never seem to question the original provider of the crap information they have pinned their argument on?

I can only assume that they believe what they want to believe and do a "Nahhhh nahhhhh nahhhhhh I'm Not Listening!!" routine when countered.
 
uk_dave said:
C'mon, Mondial didn't do any research himself, he read his argument elsewhere, it was fed to him and he comes here and regurgitates it.
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They believe what fits their prejudices and hatreds.

All they need is a million more people who think like they do and a charismatic leader and they could cause serious trouble.
 
timhau said:
Actually, if you bothered to look at Wikipedia before making this linguistic (not historical, linguistic) argument, you'd find this:



Oh, but that's Wikipedia, not Retardopedia Metapedia. It's run by Joos. Silly me.

However, there's just one thing that bugs me... if the Jews are crafty enough to run everything despite their relatively small numbers, doesn't that mean that they are the masterrace? Theirs is already a lot closer to being a thousand-year nation than certain others I could mention.
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Could anyone show me some evidence the term “Holocaust” was used during WWII as is claimed here?
 
SpitfireIX said:
As I've mentioned in other threads, BA in American and European history, Purdue University (Hi, Gawdzilla :) ) 1991. Courses included Modern Germany, The Second World War, Nazi War Crimes, and Hitler and 20th-Century Germany (and before you ask, the professor I had for WWII was a Jew; the one I had for the other three is a Presbyterian).

I've read enough of Butz to know that his book is complete garbage, and that he lacks even the most basic knowledge of historical methodology. Fail
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Lurkers can decide for themselves.
The Hoax of the Twentieth Century (text) http://vho.org/dl/ENG/Hoax.pdf
 
MaGZ said:
Could anyone show me some evidence the term “Holocaust” was used during WWII as is claimed here?
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If you mean capital H holocaust, I don't recall such. I do know the New York Times printed reports Jews were being slaughtered in German camps as early as May 1941. And the term "holocaust" (note the lower case H) was in general use at that time.
 
MaGZ said:
The "Holocaust" was invented in the 1970s, before that the word never referred to Jews.
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MaGZ said:
So you agree the Jews redefined the word "Holocaust" in the 1970s.
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timhau said:
Actually, if you bothered to look at Wikipedia before making this linguistic (not historical, linguistic) argument, you'd find this:



Oh, but that's Wikipedia, not Retardopedia Metapedia. It's run by Joos. Silly me.

However, there's just one thing that bugs me... if the Jews are crafty enough to run everything despite their relatively small numbers, doesn't that mean that they are the masterrace? Theirs is already a lot closer to being a thousand-year nation than certain others I could mention.
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MaGZ said:
Could anyone show me some evidence the term “Holocaust” was used during WWII as is claimed here?
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Your absurd propaganda doesn't really merit a response, but I know the ways of the denialists, and if it's unanswered you guys claim victory.

You're playing with semantics based on your own limited world view, lack of historical knowledge, and poor sources. The word itself has existed for hundreds of years. It was used throughout the twentieth century, quite commonly, in reference to Armenia. As it was used, quite often, to describe what was happening to the Jews in Europe under the Nazis.

What it wasn't.... It wasn't The Holocaust. It was "a holocaust". It was only in the 50s, in translating the Hebrew texts from investigations being done on "shoah", that the west picked up on and started using "holocaust" as a translation. So, blame the French, if you like.

But there are countless references, through the 30s, 40s, and 50s, to Judeacide as holocaust. Spouting that crap about it only being the product of a 70s TV series just shows your wanton disregard for facts.

Here's a nice foot-noted article for you. Warning, though... it quotes Elie Wiesel in one or another places (just as a reference point), so you may break out in hives...

http://www.berkeleyinternet.com/holocaust/
 
Mondial said:
There were no holocaust movies in the 1940's, 50's or 60's and then circa 1974 Did Six Million Really Die? (www.zundelsite.org/harwood/didsix00.html ) was published. Then in 1976 came The Hoax of the Twentieth Century. After these two works started to gain attention the "Holocaust" mini series was first broadcast in 1978. This opened the floodgates to an avalanche of holocaust propaganda so that not a week goes by without a movie, tv show or documentary about the subject. Total overkill. The victims of Stalin vastly outnumber those of Hitler but there is no comparable amount of film or tv time for them.
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There were no movies about the American Civil War in the 1860's, 70's, 80's, 90's and 1900's. Makes ya' think, don't it?

I missed the CT sub-forum. Did you miss me?
 
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CptColumbo said:
There were no movies about the American Civil War in the 1860's, 70's, 80's, 90's and 1900's. Makes ya' think, don't it?

I missed the CT sub-forum. Did you miss me?
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And World War I,.... don't get me started on that diabolical scheme. Find me any article or book written from 1914 to 1939 that even mentions it. All sorts of stuff about "The Great War".... but no mention of World War I. Huh? Huh? Why? Because the Jewish money-brokers co-opted the roman numeral I in 1939 in preparation for this nonsense about that little old Nazi party seeking global hegemony and wanting to conquer all of Europe and subjugate its inhabitants.

It's a plot, I tell you. Before that, I (the numeral) was used for like kings and stuff. No mention of nö so-called "world" wars, eh?
 
MaGZ said:
Could anyone show me some evidence the term “Holocaust” was used during WWII as is claimed here?
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Could anyone show me evidence that the term "WWI" was used before WWII?

But seriously, what is the point? Can we conclude anything from any of this? We know that among Americans, the term "Holocaust" was not common parlance until after the mini-series aired in the late '70s.

Before that, people referred to "Nazi war crimes" or "concentration camps" or "death camps".

And? What's the point?
 
Theirs is already a lot closer to being a thousand-year nation than certain others I could mention
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Chinese: We have a culture that's 3000 years old!
Jew: Oh yeah? Ours is 4000 years old!
Chinese: You're lying! What did you people eat for 1000 years?
 
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