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Danny Jowenko - Manipulated by 9/11 Deniers

What you fail, or refuse to grasp the significance of Oystein, is that fire was so far from a being a possible cause for the WTC 7 collapse, that Danny has never wavered, even to this day, in his unequivocal conclusion that WTC 7 was felled by controlled demolition.

MM

You go with Danny, he says no CD for Towers, CD for WTC 7. You score 67 percent.

Go with your theory, you have zero percent, and fail to list your enormous amount of "incriminating evidence". Is it lost?

Or you can go with the truth, no CD on 911 and be 100 percent correct, and avoid making it 9 years of failed CD delusions.

Fire caused WTC 7 failure. Facts are hard to use when you have 8 years of CD delusions blocking you ability to analyze reality based evidence.

Better get with Gage, at least he is traveling on money collected from gullible donates too dumb to realize he spreads lies. Maybe you can join Gages traveling lie show and have your expenses covered. Only a few top truther are making money. DRG sells books, he makes money. Gage takes donations and travels. 911 truth movement is a scam for a few to make money off the many paranoid conspiracy theorists.
 
What you fail, or refuse to grasp the significance of Oystein, is that fire was so far from a being a possible cause for the WTC 7 collapse, that Danny has never wavered, even to this day, in his unequivocal conclusion that WTC 7 was felled by controlled demolition.

MM

May I repeat:

Jowenko did not even know at all that WTC7 had burned!
He did not even know that WTC7 fell the same day!
He had been shown a video of the collapse without sound!

When the original interview was done with Jowenko, he was clearly the most uninformed person with regards to WTC7 that you could imagine!

He based his initial opinion of "yes, CD" on a video without sound. Had he been played the video with sound, I bet you, he would have first noticed the complete absence of the first telltale sign of real CDs: INSANELY LOUD BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG at the onset of collapse.


Later he found out: ooops! Did not fall same day! So he quickly thinks: How many quick working guys could rig a building in 7 hours or so?
Then he learns: ooops! Fires? I didn't know that!!
Ok, sure, he did not retract the rigging, for he can't imagine that a fire could bring down a building.
Now question: Is Jowenko an expert on the behaviour of burning buildings? Miragememories, I ask you to specifically address this question, should be a YES or a NO!

Then, a year later, someone calls this guy.
How do you know he has looked into the matter even one more minute after the original interview?
Has he? Miragememories, please answer that specific question! Should be yes, no, or I DON'T KNOW!
 
To quote Mr. Jowenko;
"It couldn't have been done by fire. Absolutely not!".

Has the level of bigoted responses changed one iota in this forum.

Absolutely not.

And in the absence of any explanation for why he says this, why should anyone accept his unexplained, unsupported opinion over the open and available research that's already been accepted nationwide and is influencing code worldwide?? As I've pointed out in other posts, the NIST research has already affected American building code (ASCE 7 here in the US was cited by one of the engineers in this forum) and is being analyzed by the ICC, which is an international code body. The poster Architect here also said that the Eurocodes have been modified in response to the WTC 7 findings, as well as the ones for the main towers, but I don't have citations for those. At any rate, the studies I'm mentioning are available and open; Jowenko's argument, in contrast, is not. And you're proving it here by merely posting his assertions, not his arguments.

All you are accomplishing here is demonstrating that you're willing to hold on to a single individual's statements to salvage an untenable position. The fact of the matter is, the activities of the ASCE alone, let alone the ICC, demonstrates that Jowenko's position is not held generally. Also, given that explosives are contradicted on sound pressure levels alone, let alone the absence of demolition components remains as well as a marked lack of opportunity to install them, the fact remains that Jowenko is defending a disproven hypothesis. He's not even giving any arguments to support his stance. And you are doing nothing more than arguing from authority, a singular authority who's giving zero reason for anyone to believe him over the engineering and architectural communities.

If there's any substance to Jowenko's arguments, then provide it. But you need to stop employing this silly "He's an expert!" line of argument; all I need to do is point out the ASCE and ICC organizations believes the opposite to refute your argument. Unsupported appeals to authority get you nowhere. In contrast, the NIST studies, and the ASCE and ICC acceptance of those, as well as the worldwide employment of the knowledge generated in those studies (look up Arup and the Beijing TVCC fire for examples of such knowledge actually being put to use) are examples of open knowledge, used openly, and arguable on their own merits, not the merits of the professionals who assembled them.
 
You go with Danny, he says no CD for Towers, CD for WTC 7. You score 67 percent.

Go with your theory, you have zero percent, and fail to list your enormous amount of "incriminating evidence". Is it lost?

Or you can go with the truth, no CD on 911 and be 100 percent correct, and avoid making it 9 years of failed CD delusions.

Fire caused WTC 7 failure. Facts are hard to use when you have 8 years of CD delusions blocking you ability to analyze reality based evidence.

Better get with Gage, at least he is traveling on money collected from gullible donates too dumb to realize he spreads lies. Maybe you can join Gages traveling lie show and have your expenses covered. Only a few top truther are making money. DRG sells books, he makes money. Gage takes donations and travels. 911 truth movement is a scam for a few to make money off the many paranoid conspiracy theorists.

Steel framed buildings do not fall down like a house of catds as WTC7 did Beachnut.The behaviour of the building in the attached video gives a better idea of how solid and strong a steel framed building really is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xf243Pj0S-Y Steel frame
 
Steel framed buildings do not fall down like a house of catds as WTC7 did Beachnut.The behaviour of the building in the attached video gives a better idea of how solid and strong a steel framed building really is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xf243Pj0S-Y Steel frame
Too bad you can't back up lies with some math as you bailed-out of the math for the aircraft question.

Fire causes buildings to fail. Go ahead make up more delusions.

Danny says no CD for 1 and 2; he is 67 percent correct with his failed WTC 7 opinion. You are 100 percent wrong as you hitch your wagon to Heiwa and his delusions.

If only you could do math and physics you would not spew delusions made up out of ignorance.

Your video is not of a steel framed building; your delusions are based on big lies. Do you try to make a correct statement, or are you trying to post pure stupid? 8 years of failure.
 
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TruthersLie said:
"Just a simple question.

In this same interview you are quote mining here, how many times does he say "I'm just guessing here..." or "I wish I could look this up..." or "I have no idea how they could do that..." or "I wish I had the plans here..."

Because when you quotemine it like you have, boy does it look impressive."

Are you familiar with the value of salient points?

Well, what you are referring to as "quote mining" is just my concise presentation of the salient points in the Danny Jowenko interview.

When papers are written and researchers extract salient material from reference documents, they aren't accused of "cherry-picking" because they don't present the whole reference document.

The Danny Jowenko interviews are readily available for you to cross-reference if you feel I've misrepresented him in any way.

If my presentation looks impressive, it is because what Danny has to say is impressive, and not easily ignored or dismissed.

TruthersLie said:
"When you pay attention to how many times he says "I'm just guessing here..." and there rest it is rather funny."
Nothing unusual about that, given the length of the interview and the size of the demolition project.

He never once suggests that there is insufficient information for him to be sure of this conclusion;

Danny Jowenko: "I've looked at the drawings, at the construction, and it couldn't have been done by fire...so no, absolutely not...""

TruthersLie said:
"He states in the interview he has NO IDEA how they could rig the building. None. And he is the TOP european CD expert (according to truthers).

he states the detonators would fail at 320C in any fire.

he states very clearly that wtc 1 and 2 are not CD.

Will you take ALL of Danny J's testimony? Or are you just a typical quote mining truther fraud?"
It is a lie to say; "He states in the interview he has NO IDEA how they could rig the building."

He makes numerous detailed suggestions about the procedures they could have followed.

One example;

Danny Jowenko: "... it maybe that they indeed used packet charges instead off all the cutting torch work, plus applying a linear cutter charge."

Yes, he did accept that WTC 1 and WTC 2 were not controlled demolitions and here is my take on that.

It is an appeal to those with open minds.

In a nutshell, Danny Jowenko accepted that the collapses of the WTC Twin Towers were not caused by controlled demolitions because;

-they were top down collapses
-he originally saw them as part of the same indoctrinating 'shock and awe' news event as everyone else
-they were assaulted by large commercial passenger jets
-they displayed dramatic fire activity
-the U.S. government quickly stated the view that it was solely a result of the terrorist aircraft attacks
-the mainstream press fully supported the government viewpoint
-FEMA's Report presented no alternative viewpoint
-the 911 Commision supported the Official Theory
-NIST fully supported the Official Theory
-multi-national corporations supported the Official Theory
-patriots were expected to support the Official Theory
-only terrorists and misguided troofers were expected to challenge the Official Theory
-like most people, Danny had no motivation to dig deep and question what he was told by those who traditionally commanded the public trust
-it's easier, and from a business and professional point of view, safer, to maintain the status quo
-Danny had never heard about or viewed the collapse of WTC7

For a good many of us, myself included, we bought the official story.

For a good many of us, myself included, when we saw and read about the collapse of WTC7, we stopped buying the Official Story.

As a professional editor for broadcast TV, I've probably worked on over a thousand interviews, going back to 1973, including John Dean, Nixon's former White House Counsel when the Watergate scandal made history, and whose interview I recorded in 1974.

Watching Danny Jowenko being interviewed, I saw a sincere professional, anxious to fully cooperate with his TV interviewer, well aware that the TV coverage could be beneficial for the Jowenko Demolition Company which he owns.

Being a professional building demolition engineer, Danny Jowenko, like all of his peers, must of course been very interested in the major collapses of the WTC Twin Towers. When interviewed specifically about those towers, it was clear that he was quite knowledgeable about the NIST conclusion that it was a cascading collapse resulting from the aircraft collision damage and subsequent fires. He had no reason to question their report, as it was extremely well prepared (10,000 pages) and he obviously embraced it, virtually quoting from it while explaining why he agreed with their collapse initiation assessment.

Danny has solidly backed the WTC Twin Tower part of the Official Story and is on record as having done so. To change his belief would look bad professionally, risk harming his business and would put him in opposition to the establishment and the popular point of view.

Why did he effectively contradict himself regarding these three WTC buildings and how can he continue to reconcile this contradiction?

I believe the answer to the first question lies in his interview about WTC7.

When discussing the possible rigging details of the controlled demolition operation, Jowenko focused on speed and the minimum requirements necessary to achieve the task in the 7 hour time frame presented to him.

His whole explanation avoided acceptance of the idea that the demolition was pre-planned and therefore connected to the collapses of the WTC Twin Towers.

An inside job scenario had not entered his mind, so he logically assumed that it must of been a same day "seize the moment" operation.

The only WTC link he considered was that Silverstein might have seized the opportunity presented by the collapsing Twin Towers, to get official approval for demolishing WTC7. Using the argument of public safety, the very expensive to repair, badly damaged WTC7, could be legally removed, and thus Silverstein's losses would be greatly reduced by his insurance coverage.

Regarding the question of why, having had the time to study 9/11 further, he has not yet acknowledged the difficulty in reconciling his collapse conclusions about WTC 7 and the WTC Twin Towers?

Maybe the best explanation can be summed up by this statement in his 2007 telephone interview with Jeff Hill;

Danny Jowenko: "when the FEMA makes a report that it came down from fire and you have to earn your money in the U.S. as a controlled demolition company...and you say no it was a controlled demolition...you're, you're gone....you know??"

"It's the end of your, your...it's the end of the story."


MM
 
Are you familiar with the value of salient points?

Well, what you are referring to as "quote mining" is just my concise presentation of the salient points in the Danny Jowenko interview.

When papers are written and researchers extract salient material from reference documents, they aren't accused of "cherry-picking" because they don't present the whole reference document.

The Danny Jowenko interviews are readily available for you to cross-reference if you feel I've misrepresented him in any way.

If my presentation looks impressive, it is because what Danny has to say is impressive, and not easily ignored or dismissed.


Nothing unusual about that, given the length of the interview and the size of the demolition project.

He never once suggests that there is insufficient information for him to be sure of this conclusion;

Danny Jowenko: "I've looked at the drawings, at the construction, and it couldn't have been done by fire...so no, absolutely not...""


It is a lie to say; "He states in the interview he has NO IDEA how they could rig the building."

He makes numerous detailed suggestions about the procedures they could have followed.

One example;

Danny Jowenko: "... it maybe that they indeed used packet charges instead off all the cutting torch work, plus applying a linear cutter charge."

Yes, he did accept that WTC 1 and WTC 2 were not controlled demolitions and here is my take on that.

It is an appeal to those with open minds.

In a nutshell, Danny Jowenko accepted that the collapses of the WTC Twin Towers were not caused by controlled demolitions because;

-they were top down collapses
-he originally saw them as part of the same indoctrinating 'shock and awe' news event as everyone else
-they were assaulted by large commercial passenger jets
-they displayed dramatic fire activity
-the U.S. government quickly stated the view that it was solely a result of the terrorist aircraft attacks
-the mainstream press fully supported the government viewpoint
-FEMA's Report presented no alternative viewpoint
-the 911 Commision supported the Official Theory
-NIST fully supported the Official Theory
-multi-national corporations supported the Official Theory
-patriots were expected to support the Official Theory
-only terrorists and misguided troofers were expected to challenge the Official Theory
-like most people, Danny had no motivation to dig deep and question what he was told by those who traditionally commanded the public trust
-it's easier, and from a business and professional point of view, safer, to maintain the status quo
-Danny had never heard about or viewed the collapse of WTC7

For a good many of us, myself included, we bought the official story.

For a good many of us, myself included, when we saw and read about the collapse of WTC7, we stopped buying the Official Story.

As a professional editor for broadcast TV, I've probably worked on over a thousand interviews, going back to 1973, including John Dean, Nixon's former White House Counsel when the Watergate scandal made history, and whose interview I recorded in 1974.

Watching Danny Jowenko being interviewed, I saw a sincere professional, anxious to fully cooperate with his TV interviewer, well aware that the TV coverage could be beneficial for the Jowenko Demolition Company which he owns.

Being a professional building demolition engineer, Danny Jowenko, like all of his peers, must of course been very interested in the major collapses of the WTC Twin Towers. When interviewed specifically about those towers, it was clear that he was quite knowledgeable about the NIST conclusion that it was a cascading collapse resulting from the aircraft collision damage and subsequent fires. He had no reason to question their report, as it was extremely well prepared (10,000 pages) and he obviously embraced it, virtually quoting from it while explaining why he agreed with their collapse initiation assessment.

Danny has solidly backed the WTC Twin Tower part of the Official Story and is on record as having done so. To change his belief would look bad professionally, risk harming his business and would put him in opposition to the establishment and the popular point of view.

Why did he effectively contradict himself regarding these three WTC buildings and how can he continue to reconcile this contradiction?

I believe the answer to the first question lies in his interview about WTC7.

When discussing the possible rigging details of the controlled demolition operation, Jowenko focused on speed and the minimum requirements necessary to achieve the task in the 7 hour time frame presented to him.

His whole explanation avoided acceptance of the idea that the demolition was pre-planned and therefore connected to the collapses of the WTC Twin Towers.

An inside job scenario had not entered his mind, so he logically assumed that it must of been a same day "seize the moment" operation.

The only WTC link he considered was that Silverstein might have seized the opportunity presented by the collapsing Twin Towers, to get official approval for demolishing WTC7. Using the argument of public safety, the very expensive to repair, badly damaged WTC7, could be legally removed, and thus Silverstein's losses would be greatly reduced by his insurance coverage.

Regarding the question of why, having had the time to study 9/11 further, he has not yet acknowledged the difficulty in reconciling his collapse conclusions about WTC 7 and the WTC Twin Towers?

Maybe the best explanation can be summed up by this statement in his 2007 telephone interview with Jeff Hill;

Danny Jowenko: "when the FEMA makes a report that it came down from fire and you have to earn your money in the U.S. as a controlled demolition company...and you say no it was a controlled demolition...you're, you're gone....you know??"

"It's the end of your, your...it's the end of the story."


MM
So he's a coward. That's all you have to say.
 
Too bad you can't back up lies with some math as you bailed-out of the math for the aircraft question.

Fire causes buildings to fail. Go ahead make up more delusions.

Danny says no CD for 1 and 2; he is 67 percent correct with his failed WTC 7 opinion. You are 100 percent wrong as you hitch your wagon to Heiwa and his delusions.

If only you could do math and physics you would not spew delusions made up out of ignorance.

Your video is not of a steel framed building; your delusions are based on big lies. Do you try to make a correct statement, or are you trying to post pure stupid? 8 years of failure.

The only way any steel framed hi-rise building on Earth has ever been cleanly brought down is by explosive controlled crmolition. WTC1,WTC2 and WTC7 are not exceptions.
 
The only way any steel framed hi-rise building on Earth has ever been cleanly brought down is by explosive controlled crmolition. WTC1,WTC2 and WTC7 are not exceptions.

How many high rise buildings (say... 110 floors?) have you seen where a Boeing 767 crashed into at full throttle and then suffering a subsequential office fire ignited by the exploding jet fuel, which was not fought by the fire department?

You can round up to the nearest decimal.
 
How many high rise buildings (say... 110 floors?) have you seen where a Boeing 767 crashed into at full throttle and then suffering a subsequential office fire ignited by the exploding jet fuel, which was not fought by the fire department?

You can round up to the nearest decimal.

If that was such a good way to bring down skyscrapers they would be flying jets into buildings all over the place Belle.
 
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And you are so brave?

Too funny.

MM

He didn't say that. He said that Jowenko is a coward. Which is true, if he believes that someone blew up the WTC (which one?) and is too afraid to do anything about it.

Danny Jowenko: "when the FEMA makes a report that it came down from fire and you have to earn your money in the U.S. as a controlled demolition company...and you say no it was a controlled demolition...you're, you're gone....you know??"

"It's the end of your, your...it's the end of the story."
 
http://www.boeing.com/commercial/prices/index.html

And let's not forget the pilot who has to fly it into the building and the collateral damage :rolleyes:

Eta: And the question still stand: how many high rise buildings?

At the end of their life the jets are cheap enough. Build in a ejector seat or bail out .....or even remote control. No big deal.

Collateral damage ?....not really. Apparently when you crash a plane into a steel framed skyscraper it collapses more or less straight down.
 
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At the end of their life the jets are cheap enough. Build in a ejector seat or bail out .....or even remote control. No big deal.

:dl:

And collateral damage, no big deal?

And again, how many high rise buildings have you seen where a Boeing 767 crashed into at full throttle and then suffering a subsequential office fire ignited by the exploding jet fuel, which was not fought by the fire department?
 
:dl:

And collateral damage, no big deal?

And again, how many high rise buildings have you seen where a Boeing 767 crashed into at full throttle and then suffering a subsequential office fire ignited by the exploding jet fuel, which was not fought by the fire department?

It's my bedtime Bell. Night-night.
 
And you are so brave?

Too funny.

MM

What else would you call someone who has the ability to prove that the US government was behind the murder of thousands of it's citizens, and started a war that would kill many more thousands of people from several different countries (or at "best" allowed it to happen) but won't say anything because it might cost him money*?

And for the record, yeah I'm brave. Mainly because if I see something I believe to be a wrong, I do something about it instead of whining on the internet.

* It amazes me that truthers will hold up losing money or a job as a reason for people to keep quiet about 9/11 but never consider the fact that if that someone really could prove that the gov'ment is covering up cds, remote controlled planes, a plan to let them do it, etc... they could write their own ticket. The movie rights alone could set them up for life.
 

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