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The Chiropractor's rooms up the road from us have a new sign advertising all the wonderful types of 'treatments' available there.

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I guess these Chiropractors haven't heard that Chiropracty was trying to distance itself from blatant woo.

Vibrational Kinesiology?

Audiometry? What IS that?
 
Sounds like a woonderful new sex act.

ETA: Actually i think it was in the movie Privet Parts. Nevermind, its not new. Still woonderful
 
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I'm so glad you enlightened me about Vibrational Kinesiology. ;)

I'm surprised your smallish community can support such a variety of woo. Maybe these guys travel from town to town?
 
tourmaline said:
Sounds like a woonderful new sex act.
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lionking said:
I'm so glad you enlightened me about Vibrational Kinesiology. ;)

I'm surprised your smallish community can support such a variety of woo. Maybe these guys travel from town to town?
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I doubt the non-chiropractors get much business. Mind you, there are, I think, 4 other chiropractors' establishments in a town of 10,000 people. There's also an osteopath. :oldroll: Luckily, our hospital and medical clinic are very good.
 
Is chiro really that bad? My mate did his back yesterday and I took him to the ER, their resident chiro reduced his pain by probably 90% in minutes without using drugs, just by manipulating the muscles in his back. Surely a major hospital wouldn't have a chiropractor in their ER if it was total woo, would it? :confused:
 
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Chiropracty is total woo.

Having said that, a chiropractor can make an adequate stand-in for a physical therapist for simple cases.

And yes, sadly, they would.
 
A Chiropractor is a good friend of mine and he does a lot of good for his patients. He has perfected his art to the degree to where he knows who he can help and who he can't. He works in concert with regular physicians and he is greatly respected. There are a lot of quacks out there and chiropracters get the brunt of the criticism but if they stay in their nitch they can do a lot of good.
 
Do people who righteously rant on about "woo" not realize how infantile they sound to the unenlightened?
 
I thought that massage therapy and hypnotherapy were of some objective, therapeutic use in pain management. Of course, it's probably pretty common to attach additional woo claims to these things.
 
Cainkane1 said:
A Chiropractor is a good friend of mine and he does a lot of good for his patients. He has perfected his art to the degree to where he knows who he can help and who he can't. He works in concert with regular physicians and he is greatly respected. There are a lot of quacks out there and chiropracters get the brunt of the criticism but if they stay in their nitch they can do a lot of good.
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Which leaves the question: Why didn't he study real medicine instead of quackology?
 
Cainkane1 said:
A Chiropractor is a good friend of mine and he does a lot of good for his patients. He has perfected his art to the degree to where he knows who he can help and who he can't. He works in concert with regular physicians and he is greatly respected. There are a lot of quacks out there and chiropracters get the brunt of the criticism but if they stay in their nitch they can do a lot of good.
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And i assume he has shown you proper studies to this effect double blinded and reviewed by an unbiased organization? Otherwise your just taking the word of a friend, which in cases like this is a horrible idea.

Sometimes it boggles my mind when people say something like " i know a lot of chiropractors are quacks, but this friend of mine is really nice and doesn't make outrageous claims. " ( chiropractor can be replaced with any type of woo). Of course they are going to say things like this, what are people expecting, a snidley whiplash type character holding a big sack of conned money and saying " nyaaah, i can cure your heavy wallet.....i mean cancer, just give me some money, nyaaah."

Conning and convincing are what these people ( chiropractors specifically in this case) do, without it they wouldn't have much of a client base.
 
PixyMisa said:
Chiropracty is total woo.

Having said that, a chiropractor can make an adequate stand-in for a physical therapist for simple cases.

And yes, sadly, they would.
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Actually not total woo but the vast majority to practise woo. There is evidence of chiropracty being effective for the management of some muscular pains. However, they don't do anything that a licensed physical therapist and/or massage therapist can't do, without dangerous manipulations.

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PixyMisa said:
Chiropracty is total woo.

Having said that, a chiropractor can make an adequate stand-in for a physical therapist for simple cases.

And yes, sadly, they would.
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Obviously, I'm a n00b and have missed this particular argument, rather than rehashing it here do you have any links for me to peruse? Preferably a balanced link that takes both sides into account, because i remain sceptical that chiro IS woo but at the same time respect the fact that you guys know more about the debate than I do, so am happy to defer to the authority of the community.
 
Estellea said:
Actually not total woo but the vast majority to practise woo. There is evidence of chiropracty being effective for the management of some muscular pains. However, they don't do anything that a licensed physical therapist and/or massage therapist can't do, without dangerous manipulations.
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That's the point. Yes, a chiropractor can give you a massage, and as long as you keep them away from your neck, probably won't cause you serious harm in the process. A naturopath can make you a nice cup of tea, and probably won't poison you. A homeopath can... Well, no, actually; homeopaths can't do anything at all.

The entire field is woo, and the ability to provide remedial massages is just an accident.
 
bit_pattern said:
Obviously, I'm a n00b and have missed this particular argument, rather than rehashing it here do you have any links for me to peruse? Preferably a balanced link that takes both sides into account, because i remain sceptical that chiro IS woo but at the same time respect the fact that you guys know more about the debate than I do, so am happy to defer to the authority of the community.
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There aren't two sides to it - there is no evidence that any of the claims of chiropracty are true.

Yes, a chiropractor can give you a massage. So can any physical therapist.

If you want to read more, the Wikipedia page isn't a bad place to start: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiropractic

May I ask you why you are skeptical that chiropracty is woo? You are aware that chiropractors are not doctors, and in fact have no medical training? That chiropracty is not a branch of medicine at all? That the core beliefs of chiropracty are pre-scientific and utterly untrue? And that when those beliefs are removed, all you have left is a form of physical therapy that is not based in science and is in fact potentially harmful?
 
bit_pattern said:
Obviously, I'm a n00b and have missed this particular argument, rather than rehashing it here do you have any links for me to peruse? Preferably a balanced link that takes both sides into account, because i remain sceptical that chiro IS woo but at the same time respect the fact that you guys know more about the debate than I do, so am happy to defer to the authority of the community.
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For other threads on the subject see
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/tags.php?tag=chiropractors
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/tags.php?tag=chiropractor
 
On further reflection, I think it was a physiotherapist and not a chiropractor that my mate saw, which makes more sense that an E.R would have one on their staff.

Thanks for the links though, some interesting reading.
 
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