Split Thread 7WTC - controlled demolition or fire and damage induced collapse?

[Christopher7]

2:34 into the video where Mr. Chandler tells us to listen for a 'low rumble', the building is already collapsing.

Wrong. The building does not start to collapse until after Ashley says "This is it". Mr. Chandler is referring to the low rumble of the explosions. You are consistently lying thru your teeth in an attempt to cloud the issue.

You are fooling no one but the fanatically faithful OCTers.

 

[alienentity]

Uh Oh! White smoke! Must be thermite! Quick call Dr. Jones!!

 

[alienentity]

Wrong. The building does not start to collapse until after Ashley says "This is it". Mr. Chandler is referring to the low rumble of the explosions. You are consistently lying thru your teeth in an attempt to cloud the issue.

You are fooling no one but the fanatically faithful OCTers.

Funny, the waveforms look the same before Mr. Chandler picks an arbitrary spot in the middle.

The rumble (you can hear it if you listen with headphones) starts at approx 41 seconds, 'this is it' is at 49 seconds. That's a full 8 seconds after the collapse is already underway, not including the East Penthouse collapse, which started another 10 seconds before that. (your column 79 being chewed by your phantom thermite, I suppose! LOL)

So, no, you're wrong again. Same old.

 

[Christopher7]

No, it was you who mentioned the debris pile where column 79 was. I was responding to that comment.

Give me a break. You are playing a game of mixing up statements.

Are there any other possible sources for white smoke besides thermite? Before or after collapse?

Not before the collapse because there were no fires in that area at any time. You are just wasting everyone's time with your ridiculous double talk.

Have a nice day.

 

[alienentity]

OMG!!! More white smoke! Must be thermite. Look to the left.
NOTHING else could cause this color of smoke except thermite.

 

[alienentity]

Give me a break. You are playing a game of mixing up statements.

Not before the collapse because there were no fires in that area at any time. You are just wasting everyone's time with your ridiculous double talk.

Have a nice day.

So you're saying there can NEVER be white smoke unless thermite is present?

Is that your position?

Have a nice day.

 

[alienentity]

Why is this picture all blue? Someone has altered the color to fake the smoke. You've been duped.
Looks like smoke to me.

Anyway, the smoke looks yellow, not white. Can't be thermite. If you color correct the image it's more orange. That's probably agent orange - just like Vietnam!

 

[leftysergeant]

Thermite produces white smoke. There was no sign of or reports of fires on floors 5 and 6 in the east half of WTC 7 at any time, just this plume of white smoke.

You've got at least three veteran fire fighters watching this BS. ANY structural fire will produce white smoke, black smoke and all gradients between. Paper burning with a loit of air produces white smoke. There was water everywhere in the buildings to produce steam. You have nothing here that an experienced fire fighter would not expect to finds in any fire.

 

[Grizzly Bear]

OMG!!! More white smoke! Must be thermite. Look to the left.
NOTHING else could cause this color of smoke except thermite.

[qimg]http://i900.photobucket.com/albums/ac206/alienentity1/sndPoint4.jpg[/qimg]

Amazing that he still has no idea about simple chemistry in combustion. Yet he continues to argue as if white smoke has absolutely no other source than thermite... If he'd only search google for a few seconds and...

 

[triforcharity]

They hand waved the reports of explosions and the NFPA standards that clearly state that if pulverized concrete is found, explosives are indicated. A real investigation would have considered the possibility of explosions.

OT, AND bull****. It does not apply when you know WHY the concrete is pulverized, such as in a COLLAPSE!!

 

[triforcharity]

you are not an explosives expert nor do you understand how microphones work. As miragememories just pointed out, ashley's mic didn't pick up the sound of the collapse. By your reasoning, wtc 7 did not collapse. :d :d :d

you can hear the ******* rumble in the background!! Ffs!!

 

[triforcharity]

Different rigging.

As a safety precaution, the windows are removed from such buildings prior to their demolition in order to protect against flying broken glass.

A building with all its windows gutted is going to allow every internal sound to be heard quite well.

How often have you walked past large sealed buildings that you know are noisy inside but you can't hear a peep?

Yes, WTC 7 had a few broken windows, but the majority were intact and sealed.

So back to your question, if the microphone only picked up a "low-level rumble" when the whole building was disintegrating, is there any wonder that any preceding internal noises from the sealed WTC7, would not be recorded at all?

MM

A explosive capable of cutting a core column would have been heard in Hoboken NJ.

Are you seriously comparing the sound of an office, to the sound of a H.E?

Is that like a stundie or something???

 

[triforcharity]

[qimg]http://a.imageshack.us/img507/8717/figure5142.jpg[/qimg]

Thermite produces white smoke. There was no sign of or reports of fires on floors 5 and 6 in the east half of WTC 7 at any time, just this plume of white smoke.

Isn't this like an hour and a half before the collapse? I thought you claim that whatever removed the steel support was instantaneous?

BTW, I see no smoke in that picture, between floors 5-6.

 

[triforcharity]

Give me a break. You are playing a game of mixing up statements.

Not before the collapse because there were no fires in that area at any time. You are just wasting everyone's time with your ridiculous double talk.

Have a nice day.

HVAC systems vent to the outside, which is, IIRC, exactly what the louver looking openings are.

 

[triforcharity]

Why is this picture all blue? Someone has altered the color to fake the smoke. You've been duped.
Looks like smoke to me.
[qimg]http://a.imageshack.us/img507/8717/figure5142.jpg[/qimg]

Anyway, the smoke looks yellow, not white. Can't be thermite. If you color correct the image it's more orange. That's probably agent orange - just like Vietnam!

[qimg]http://i900.photobucket.com/albums/ac206/alienentity1/Yellowsmoke.jpg[/qimg]

Not to mention that it looks to me that the smoke is not coming from the 5th or 6th floor windows.

 

[Christopher7]

you can hear the ******* rumble in the background!! fs!!

The collapse does not start until AFTER Ashley says "This is it" and then all we can hear is her voice. You are blowing smke.

 

[alienentity]

The collapse does not start until AFTER Ashley says "This is it" and then all we can hear is her voice. You are blowing smke.

Wrong again. The rumble clearly starts several seconds earlier, you can even see it if you look carefully.

ETA the rumble does not change over time substantially, except it grows in volume slowly. Sounds exactly like a building collapsing, actually.

Are you deaf?

This is as silly as the piffle coming from Jammonius, where he denies something which is obvious to everyone else. PLease don't tell me you're going to go that route. One insane truther on these forums is already enough...

 

[Christopher7]

Wrong again. The rumble clearly starts several seconds earlier, you can even see it if you look carefully.

You are playing a game and just lying about what is in the video to waste time and column space. This is a sick joke.

At 4:02 "When we hear the sharp regular series of sounds in the background, the building has not yet started to fall. When we hear the reporter say "This is it", the building has not yet started to fall. The fall of the building corresponds to the crescendo of the crowd response. Here is another street scene with the building in full view. The crowd responds almost immediately as the building starts to fall. This occurs just after the reporter says "This is it".

You will continue to lie about what is in the video and accuse others of lying but the video doesn't lie, you do.

 

[alienentity]

Here's an EQ'd version of the Banfield audio, I can't upload the aiff but the rumble starts at about 5 seconds into this clip, just as Banfield is saying 'You've got Karalina(sp) here'.

Again, Chandler's attempt to calibrate this timing with another video is laughable, it's so phony. He is guessing, and worse, he's making it look the way he wants to. Not dissimilar from his WTC7 collapse time manipulations where he arbitrarily decided that the building at a certain time - of course different from NIST's time - and then proceeded to accuse them of fraud.

Of course, fraud is exactly what he's perpetrating once again, through more phony analysis.

ps again here's what a real demolition spectrograph looks like: (Landmark Demolition)

 

[Christopher7]

Here's an EQ'd version of the Banfield audio, I can't upload the aiff but the rumble starts at about 5 seconds into this clip, just as Banfield is saying 'You've got Karalina(sp) here'.

There is a faint rumble starting where you say. If you can hear that then you can hear the thum,thum - thum,thum,thum,thum as Pauliana(?) says "They, they" at 3:30.
Ashley is the first to turn around in response to the thum,thum.
At 3:38 someone says "That's the building coming down". The building fell in 6.6 seconds and it was still "coming down" 8 seconds after the thum,thum - thum,thum,thum,thum. The rumble corrolates with the internal collapse of the 21 core columns under the screenwall and west penthouse about 1 to 2 seconds before the building started down.