Split Thread 7WTC - controlled demolition or fire and damage induced collapse?

Christopher7 said:
Deniers are funny. I just presented evidence of what could have been smoke from thermite and you say there is no evidence. :D

Go ahead, do some mental gymnastics and come up with another explanation for the plume of white smoke in an area where there was no fire at any time.

The hottest spot in the debris pile was where column 79 was. The same area where the white smoke plume was. Hmmm. :cool:
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Where there's smoke there's fire. I thought there were only small fires in WTC7, according to lying truthers.

Also, lying truthers like to pretend that the building fell in 6.5 seconds at freefall speed, and that all support was simultaneously removed.

What does column 79 have to do with that theory? You're confusing the actual events (the failure of the E side of the building into itself behind the curtain wall) with your phony theories.

Keep your phony theories straight please! Try not to contradict your own ideas too often, it spoils the punchline...for you.
 
Christopher7 said:
There were NO fires reported below floor 7 in the east half of WTC 7 at any time so how do you get steam?
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So there is no chance of water and heat mixing in the debris pile?

Are you sure you want to take that position? It's pretty dumb.
 
Miragememories said:
Strange.

When I hear your video voice alienentity, you sound like an adult
capable of functioning responsibly in society.

Then I see all these pathetic, rambling baiting attempts and
I wonder if some 7 year old is replying.

You've obviously been playing in this sandbox too long.

Too funny.

MM
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This is the appropriate reaction to the stream of lies that you truthers try to peddle. Derision, mocking and contempt. Yes, that applies to you in large measure.

What do you expect? You present things which are blatantly false, and attempt to blame innocent people for killing thousands. You are despicable. I would compare you to bottom-feeders, but that would be an insult to bottom-feeders.
 
DGM said:
Do I need to find a video of a steam train (or any steam release for that matter) to show your pathetic?

Wait would that be like saying clouds are also "invisible"?
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I realize the accurate use of scientific terms is of little importance to you DGM but the fact remains that steam is invisible and water vapor is not.

The two are not the same.

MM
 
alienentity said:
LMAO. Now you're lying about Chandler's video! Can you not stop yourself from misrepresenting things? Apparently not!! LOL
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Talk to yourself much? You said the sound of the collapse was picked up by the mic. Now you have shifted to the explosions. Your accusations of lying are based on this misrepresentation. Give it up. :rolleyes:

Chandler claims that explosive sounds can be heard. What device (hint: microphone) captured those sounds?

And yet according to you two nitwits, the mic didn't capture the sound of the collapse. BTW, the sounds Chandler is looking at are occurring long after the building is already into descent....... But not at the point where it begins to descend.
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Wrong. Mr. Chandler clearly establishes that the explosions occur BEFORE the collapse begins. Watch the video again. :D
 
Miragememories said:
But can we hear the actual collapse of that 47-story highrise on her microphone?
....

Hers, and near by voices can be heard clearly during this silent collapse.

Too funny.

...The reporter's microphone should have picked it up loud and clear but strangely, did not!.

MM
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MM, you can't even keep your own lies straight! You called it a 'silent' collapse. You say the microphone did not pick up the sound.
C7 immediately backed you up claiming the mic didn't capture the sound of collapse......

Now you deny writing this. Cognitive dissonance much?
 
Miragememories said:
So I guess in your world, the sound of the 47-story WTC7 building totally collapsing to the ground could never have occurred.

The reporter's microphone should have picked it up loud and clear but strangely, did not!

Too funny.

MM
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It did pick it up, that was the whole point. I realize science and logic isn't your strong-point, but at least try to keep up in the discussion.

The mic picked up the low rumbling of the collapse as well as voices and traffic, but no explosions. That's because they were not there.
 
Christopher7 said:
Talk to yourself much? You said the sound of the collapse was picked up by the mic. Now you have shifted to the explosions. Your accusations of lying are based on this misrepresentation. Give it up. :rolleyes:

Wrong. Mr. Chandler clearly establishes that the explosions occur BEFORE the collapse begins. Watch the video again. :D
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Know what? I'm not going to watch it again. It was idiocy the first time and the second time. I don't think things will improve.

2:34 into the video where Mr. Chandler tells us to listen for a 'low rumble', the building is already collapsing.

Yes, he's really that dumb. And apparently so are you.

And as for Mr. Chandler's trick of finding explosions by emphasizing low frequencies (remember I already showed empirical evidence that frequencies of a typical CD are well into the 6 khz range) and making fake lines.
Well, look to the left of his lines and you see exactly the same patterns. His reference point is arbitrary and incorrect, as the collapse is already underway, yet he doesn't seem to realize this.

ETA he adds a video from another perspective and claims that he has synchronized the start time, yet gives no frames of reference to calibrate or verify.
You are left to simply believe what he says, without his claim meeting the burden of proof. It's just his word. Aswhen he claims there are nanothermite rockets in the WTC tower collapses...... I'll be kind and just say that he's grossly incompetent.

But when you make stuff up, the truth doesn't matter. Chandler doesn't care about the truth, and neither do you. That's very clear to us.
 
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Miragememories said:
I realize the accurate use of scientific terms is of little importance to you DGM but the fact remains that steam is invisible and water vapor is not.

The two are not the same.

MM
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So what? Do you agree that C7 calling the white smoke (steam, water vapor or "white fluffy looking stuff") is not proof of "thermite" in any way shape or form?
 
Seriously, are these trolls the only thing the twoof-movement can muster these days? Man, how they have fallen since the glory days of 2006, where thermite was new and shiny and dunces flocked to the "cause". Now we're left with trolls who flat out denies obvious evidence making us doubt their sanity even more.

It's amazing, really.
 
uke2se said:
Seriously, are these trolls the only thing the twoof-movement can muster these days? Man, how they have fallen since the glory days of 2006, where thermite was new and shiny and dunces flocked to the "cause". Now we're left with trolls who flat out denies obvious evidence making us doubt their sanity even more.

It's amazing, really.
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Indeed. Whatever small amount of respect one might have had for the 'leaders' of the movement was destroyed long ago by their insane insistence on these bizarre and unsubstantiated claims.

Chandler went so far off the deep end as to suggest 'nanothermite rockets' in his smoking gun videos.

Steven Jones suggested HAARP caused the Haiti earthquake.

DRG is a breed of no-planer

Harrit envisions pallets carrying tons of conventional explosives getting by bomb-sniffing dogs.

And those are supposedly the best minds. This lot posting at JREF are far from the best minds; they're not even mediocre, they're absolutely batty.
 
alienentity said:
Indeed. Whatever small amount of respect one might have had for the 'leaders' of the movement was destroyed long ago by their insane insistence on these bizarre and unsubstantiated claims.

Chandler went so far off the deep end as to suggest 'nanothermite rockets' in his smoking gun videos.

Steven Jones suggested HAARP caused the Haiti earthquake.

DRG is a breed of no-planer

Harrit envisions pallets carrying tons of conventional explosives getting by bomb-sniffing dogs.

And those are supposedly the best minds. This lot posting at JREF are far from the best minds; they're not even mediocre, they're absolutely batty.
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Let's not forget Gage who parrots all of them.

:o
 
Christopher7 said:
You are not an explosives expert nor do you understand how microphones work. As Miragememories just pointed out, Ashley's mic didn't pick up the sound of the collapse. By your reasoning, WTC 7 did not collapse. :D :D :D
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You are not an explosives expert either. Therefore my claim that explosives make loud noise, and any counterclaim to the contrary that you wish to make, would have equal standing as far as arguing from credentials is concerned.

However, credentials aside, my claim is correct and any claim to the contrary would be ridiculous. Furthermore, this is completely obvious.

I do, in fact, understand how microphones work, in considerable technical detail. Also Ashley's mic did in fact pick up the sound of the collapse, but that is a moot point as my reasoning is in no way based on the characteristics of sounds collapsing buildings make.

Respectfully,
Myriad
 
Christopher7 said:
:D The photo was taken before the collapse. You are just wasting column space with your childish bating and absurd questions.
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No, it was you who mentioned the debris pile where column 79 was. I was responding to that comment.

You've baited yourself.

ETA if there was thermite for some odd reason at column 79, why didn't the white smoke continue (ie thermite burning) once the building collapsed?

Are there any other possible sources for white smoke besides thermite? Before or after collapse?

I guess not, in your world.
 
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