Split Thread 7WTC - controlled demolition or fire and damage induced collapse?

carlitos said:
"Mirage Memories, maybe you could rephrase what you just wrote there, because it doesn't appear to refute what you quoted.

Pathmark Demolition = HUGE explosion sounds plus low-level rumble.
WTC7 = NO explosion sounds plus low-level rumble.

Your explanation?"
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Different rigging.

As a safety precaution, the windows are removed from such buildings prior to their demolition in order to protect against flying broken glass.

A building with all its windows gutted is going to allow every internal sound to be heard quite well.

How often have you walked past large sealed buildings that you know are noisy inside but you can't hear a peep?

Yes, WTC 7 had a few broken windows, but the majority were intact and sealed.

So back to your question, if the microphone only picked up a "low-level rumble" when the whole building was disintegrating, is there any wonder that any preceding internal noises from the sealed WTC7, would not be recorded at all?

MM
 
carlitos said:
While MM is formulating his answer, he/she can also please explain why the explosives didn't blow out the windows of the facing buildings...
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CDI - Hudson's
[FONT=&quot]There was far less window breakage in adjacent buildings than glass company crews were prepared to handle. Many of the broken windows appeared to have been those which were cracked before the implosion, according to Dave Miller of Schnabel Engineering, the third party geotechnical firm hired to do pre/post blast surveys and record the vibration from the blast. Miller said that the vibration from the fall of the structure was well within allowable limits as recorded at adjacent properties. There was no apparent damages to underground utilities.[/FONT]
http://www.controlled-demolition.com/default.asp?reqLocId=7&reqItemId=20030225133807
 
Christopher7 said:
CDI - Hudson's
[FONT=&quot]There was far less window breakage in adjacent buildings than glass company crews were prepared to handle. Many of the broken windows appeared to have been those which were cracked before the implosion, according to Dave Miller of Schnabel Engineering, the third party geotechnical firm hired to do pre/post blast surveys and record the vibration from the blast. Miller said that the vibration from the fall of the structure was well within allowable limits as recorded at adjacent properties. There was no apparent damages to underground utilities.[/FONT]
http://www.controlled-demolition.com/default.asp?reqLocId=7&reqItemId=20030225133807
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Adjacent...
 
Miragememories said:
You assume that I believe conventional demolition explosives were employed.

Wrong again.

MM
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Thermite produces white smoke. There was no sign of or reports of fires on floors 5 and 6 in the east half of WTC 7 at any time, just this plume of white smoke.
 
Christopher7 said:
You are not an explosives expert nor do you understand how microphones work.
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Talking to yourself again..

As Miragememories just pointed out, Ashley's mic didn't pick up the sound of the collapse. By your faulty and dishonest truther reasoning, WTC 7 did not collapse. :D :D :D
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Why, nobody but you truthers is claiming that the sound of collapse wasn't captured. But you've been wrong about every other thing as well, including that.

We get your latest dodge now, when confronted with the evidence: you deny that the rumble is caught on video. Yet even your hero Chandler acknowledges this sound and analyzes it as sounding like explosions.

You truthers sure like to argue against each other while claiming victory on the same point!! Very amusing to watch.

But unfortunately MM and yourself are not fooling anyone, not even yourselves, I suspect. The rumble is indeed caught by the microphone.

Another one bites the dust! Watch the truthers scurry like ants with no nest...
 
Originally Posted by Miragememories View Post

As a safety precaution, the windows are removed from such buildings prior to their demolition in order to protect against flying broken glass.



DGM said:
If you only understood why you just debunked yourself. :o
:rolleyes:
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Too damn funny!!

ps for truthers - no broken glass just B4 WTC7 fell means no explosives. Just as no explosions mean no explosives.

You guys are zero for 2 on your own phony points, got any other dumb ideas we can destroy?
 
Miragememories said:
Still up to your old disinfo tricks I see alienentity.

Your audio analysis is pure bs.

You don't have a decent, clean (not over modulated) audio recording of the WTC 7 collapse itself, let alone a recording that would reveal the existence of pre-collapse core failures.

The reporter is directing her microphone every which way as it is pointed out to her that WTC 7 is in full collapse.

But can we hear the actual collapse of that 47-story highrise on her microphone?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-WZpXiEKAo&videos=cEzTSE8cTq0

I don't know about you but I would have thought that sound would have been louder than any internal demolitions that triggered it.
Hers, and near by voices can be heard clearly during this silent collapse.

Too funny.

MM
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How can the collapse be louder than the explosions that triggered it since the explosions had to precede the collapse?
 
Miragememories said:
You wish.

That's old ground.

Anything to run up your post count I see.

MM
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What would make the "glass fly" and why would we not hear it? (I gave you a hint as to why you self debunked).


I'll be nice and give you another clue. Why did no one "feel" it?
 
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alienentity said:
Why, nobody but you truthers is claiming that the sound of collapse wasn't captured.
We get your latest dodge now, when confronted with the evidence: you deny that the rumble is caught on video.
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Hello? The sound of the collapse was not heard on the video. You hearing is as impaired as your reading ability.

Yet even your hero Chandler acknowledges this sound and analyzes it as sounding like explosions.
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Wrong. Listen to the video again.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERhoNYj9_fg&feature=player_embedded
 
Christopher7 said:
[qimg]http://a.imageshack.us/img507/8717/figure5142.jpg[/qimg]

Thermite produces white smoke. There was no sign of or reports of fires on floors 5 and 6 in the east half of WTC 7 at any time, just this plume of white smoke.
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Thermite, explosives, thermite, explosives, no evidence of either but truthers gotta try.
 
MM:
I want to relate an experience, I've been to 3 CD's (in person) with a friend of mine that happens to be deaf. She likes to go because it's one of the few things she can actually "hear" (earthquakes are another).


Why do you think this might be?
 
Redtail said:
Thermite, explosives, thermite, explosives, no evidence of either but truthers gotta try.
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Deniers are funny. I just presented evidence of what could have been smoke from thermite and you say there is no evidence. :D

Go ahead, do some mental gymnastics and come up with another explanation for the plume of white smoke in an area where there was no fire at any time.

The hottest spot in the debris pile was where column 79 was. The same area where the white smoke plume was. Hmmm. :cool:
 
tsig said:
How can the collapse be louder than the explosions that triggered it since the explosions had to precede the collapse?
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So you believe a building covering a city block area and standing 47 storys high, could totally collapse to the ground and make less explosive noise than the core failure that caused it?

MM
 
DGM said:
MM:
I want to relate an experience, I've been to 3 CD's (in person) with a friend of mine that happens to be deaf. She likes to go because it's one of the few things she can actually "hear" (earthquakes are another).


Why do you think this might be?
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Thanks for the great insight into the fact that deaf people can
feel vibrations.

I don't suppose she was near WTC 7 on 9/11?

No.

I didn't think so.

Carry on.

MM
 
Christopher7 said:
Hello? The sound of the collapse was not heard on the video. You hearing is as impaired as your reading ability.

Wrong. Listen to the video again.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERhoNYj9_fg&feature=player_embedded
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LMAO. Now you're lying about Chandler's video! Can you not stop yourself from misrepresenting things? Apparently not!! LOL

Chandler claims that explosive sounds can be heard. What device (hint: microphone) captured those sounds?

And yet according to you two nitwits, the mic didn't capture the sound of the collapse. BTW, the sounds Chandler is looking at are occurring long after the building is already into descent....... But not at the point where it begins to descend.

So explosives are de facto ruled out by Chandler's own analysis. He's just too stupid to realize this.

God, this is like shooting fish in a barrel.

Next canard please...
 
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