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bill smith said:
With the passing of the years the pain has lessened and I can now be fairly dispassionate about the poor passengers. So I respectfully put the personalities to one side and carry on with the technical detail of exposing 9/11 in every aspect that I can. Difficult as it is.
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I'll ask again, what do you think happened to Amy Jarret?

I'll take your non answer as a refusal to answer the question directly.
 
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Oystein said:
Easy. Recap: It is estimated that total insurance payouts will total 40.2 billion, when all claims will have been in.

This total includes certain figures that are largely already in (i.e. not a matter of the speculative future that the modal "will" refers to), among them 500 million for the four airplane hulls.

So since not all figures are in yet, will know the grand total only in the future.
But we already do know most of the individual claims in the present. Therefore it is invalid to interprete the "will" that is applied to the grand total to all its constituents. In fact, the great majority of claimed damages were already in.
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In other words, the article is not factual, no matter how you interpret the modal verb. You made a claim you can't substantiate, and now you're trying to make out it was because of ambiguities in the wording.


Oystein said:
Now I admit that I don't have the actual claims and settlements for each of the four airline hulls. That article I linked to does not provide any such details.
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There's a good reason why you didn't link to an article with the actual claims and settlements: no such article exists. Do you not think an insurance payout of $500 million for the planes involved in the 9/11 attacks would be newsworthy?


Oystein said:
But really, if you truthers believe AA and UA never sought nor got reimbursments from their insurances, then that info is out there and clearly known to several responsible people both at the airlines and the insurances, and a nifty journalist would easily win himself a Pulitzer if he just found and interviewed them.

Funny thing is: that didn's happen.

Why?
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Seeing as it doesn't seem to be on the record that AA and UA sought or got reimbursments from their insurances, why would exposing the fact they didn't deserve a Pulitzer Prize?
 
bill smith said:
Can you be more explicit about what I have highlighted please ?
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You really insist on playing more obvious and juvenile games don't you. You just can't stop yourself, can you...

Do you really expect that everyone is going to pretend that they don't know and haven't seen/heard plenty of 911 nuts spewing their dreams of a violent revolution or overthrow of the gov't, or talk about executing the gov't for 911 amongst other things, or executing those that didn't believe them, and many other examples of violent rants... And that's without even getting into the ones that have caused violence with strong ties to these cults.

Of course you try to pretend like you don't know this, and that your little nutty cult would never say or do such things... :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

None of your games will work with me Bill, I didn't just bump into this stuff yesterday, but keep trying and failing if you wish. Which game will be next, how about the "you must be an "agent" game, or maybe the "you believe everything the gov't says" game... LOL
 
bardamu said:
There's a good reason why you didn't link to an article with the actual claims and settlements: no such article exists. Do you not think an insurance payout of $500 million for the planes involved in the 9/11 attacks would be newsworthy?




Seeing as it doesn't seem to be on the record that AA and UA sought or got reimbursments from their insurances, why would exposing the fact they didn't deserve a Pulitzer Prize?
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Large companies frequently "self insure", that is they make payouts out of their own cash reserves. I know the company I worked for did.
 
Look at them how they joyfully dance on the graves of the passengers of the planes on 911, playing their games over such a tragedy. It's disgusting.

It's obvious why they won't answer about the passengers of the planes, we all know why, I'll call em straight out on it. They are acting just like children that are dishonestly trying to protect their delusions and lies by ignoring and dodging reality. It's obvious even to them that the question totally corners them and catches them on their lies and delsuions. That's why they won't answer.
 
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Judy Wood leaves Derbyshire on train at 40 mph. Unfortunately, her train collides with another while they are crossing a bridge. Our dear Dr. Wood is forced to choose staying on the train and burning to death or jump from the bridge. You know the government is to blame.

So how much money makes you STFU?

How much money do you think it took for Wally Miller to lie, if that's what you think?
 
jammonius said:
Are you folks seriously putting forward the Moussaoui trial exhibits as your A-1 proof of the common storyline of 9/11?

One issue I would suggest you consider is this: As the Moussaoui trial exhibits did not materialize for debunker website consumption until 2006, at the earliest, what did you rely on for proof of the common storyline before Zacharias Moussaoui came in and provided you with something you found useful?
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Common Sense, logic, rationality, traits you obviously lack.
 
AJM8125 said:
Judy Wood leaves Derbyshire on train at 40 mph. Unfortunately, her train collides with another while they are crossing a bridge. Our dear Dr. Wood is forced to choose staying on the train and burning to death or jump from the bridge. You know the government is to blame.
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Andrew probably wouldn't know at first that the government is to blame. He might just suspect that Network Rail were negligent and didn't keep the points in order.
 
The Platypus said:
It's obvious why they won't answer about the passengers of the planes, we all know why, I'll call em straight out on it. They are acting just like children that are dishonestly trying to protect their delusions and lies by ignoring and dodging reality. It's obvious even to them that the question totally corners them and catches them on their lies and delsuions. That's why they won't answer.
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It's the question that's dishonest, and so are the people who are asking it.
 
Redtail said:
No it's funny. First you admit that truthers are the crazy guy on the subway and then you miss the fact that we have met his eyes and like the actual crazy guy found that truthers are sad, confused, often deluded people that just want a little attention. If one has a twisted enough sense of humor you get a few giggles and leave them alone til the next time you feel like engaging them. The main difference is that ever once in a while the crazy guy might impart some little gem of wisdom, I haven't seen a truther do that yet.
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Bill's done the "crazy guy on the subway" post before.
 
bardamu said:
Andrew probably wouldn't know at first that the government is to blame. He might just suspect that Network Rail were negligent and didn't keep the points in order.
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Well that's not the point is it?

Some one you love more than life itself has been murdered in the cruelest of ways. You know you aren't being told the truth about it.

How much money buys your silence?
 
CompusMentus said:
On the morning of September 11 2001, United Airlines Flight 175 was flying to Los Angeles from Boston, and was hijacked by Islamic terrorists. Shortly after taking off it was deliberately flown into the South Tower of the World Trade Centre, New York.

59 passengers and crew were on board (not counting the hijackers).

All were killed.


UNITED AIRLINES FLIGHT 175 CREW

Amy N. Jarret, 28, was one of seven flight attendants on Flight 175. Amy lived with her father and two brothers in North Smithfield, Rhode Island.

Her long time boyfriend, Kyle Rusconi, said, "I told her she had to start thinking more about her own needs, but she liked taking care of others.....We assumed we would get married when it came time to have children. We just needed to be in the same place a little longer."

Her father, Aram Jarret, said his daughter was hopelessly in love with her college boyfriend and that a glittering diamond engagement ring seemed only months away. She was a rabid Notre Dame football fan who would call her dad in tears if the Fighting Irish were losing at halftime.

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"She was wonderful," he said.


Sources:- HERE HERE


Immutable facts. Unassailable reason.


Compus
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From the first of Compus' sources, the NYTimes "Portraits" section (i.e., not its "news" section, such as it may have), we have this confirmation that the story Compus relies on is just that: A story:

"These sketches were written by Felicity Barringer, Glenn Collins, Geraldine Fabrikant, Barnaby J. Feder, Elissa Gootman, Tina Kelley, Iver Peterson, Susan Saulny and Robert F. Worth. "

The second source repeats the same story and is a propaganda website, pure and simple.

Yet, Compus would have you believe he is providing you with proof of something having to do with 9/11. To the extent it may be said to do any such thing, it serves to confirm that there is no source of proof of Flight 175 crashing headlong into the WTC that Compus can provide. The post to which this responds, certainly does no such thing.
 
bardamu said:
In other words, the article is not factual, no matter how you interpret the modal verb. You made a claim you can't substantiate, and now you're trying to make out it was because of ambiguities in the wording.




There's a good reason why you didn't link to an article with the actual claims and settlements: no such article exists. Do you not think an insurance payout of $500 million for the planes involved in the 9/11 attacks would be newsworthy?


Seeing as it doesn't seem to be on the record that AA and UA sought or got reimbursments from their insurances, why would exposing the fact they didn't deserve a Pulitzer Prize?
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Well done, Bardamu. Your post adds a lot to the substance of this thread.

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Dr Wood is out taking the broom for a spin when it conks out over Mt. Rushmore. She can't seem to get fired again even though she's casting the proper spell. She winds up a red stain on Lincoln's beard.

You know the muggles are lying to cover it up.

How much shuts you up?
 
The crew and passengers of United Airlines Flight 175

On the morning of September 11 2001, United Airlines Flight 175 was flying to Los Angeles from Boston, and was hijacked by Islamic terrorists. Shortly after taking off it was deliberately flown into the South Tower of the World Trade Centre, New York.

59 passengers and crew were on board (not counting the hijackers).

All were killed.

UNITED AIRLINES FLIGHT 175 CREW

Amy R. King, 29, and Michael C. Tarrou, 38 were flight attendants on Flight 175. They lived in Stafford Springs, Connecticut.

Amy and Michael were a couple who enjoyed working together for United. Said Patricia, Michaels's mother, "They were soulmates....I know they were doing everything they could to help the passengers, though I hope they were in each others arms."

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Source:- HERE HERE


Immutable facts. Unassailable reason.


Compus
 
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CompusMentus said:
On the morning of September 11 2001, United Airlines Flight 175 was flying to Los Angeles from Boston, and was hijacked by Islamic terrorists. Shortly after taking off it was deliberately flown into the South Tower of the World Trade Centre, New York.

59 passengers and crew were on board (not counting the hijackers).

All were killed.

UNITED AIRLINES FLIGHT 175 CREW

Amy R. King, 29, and Michael C. Tarrou, 38 were flight attendants on Flight 175. They lived in Stafford Springs, Connecticut.

Amy and Michael were a couple who enjoyed working together for United. Said Patricia, Michaels's mother, "They were soulmates....I know they were doing everything they could to help the passengers, though I hope they were in each others arms."

[qimg]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/imagehosting/344914c4e1fe36d5c1.jpg[/qimg]


Source:- HERE HERE


Immutable facts. Unassailable reason.


Compus
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Somehow I doubt Jammy cares.. These people never existed in his warped world view.
 
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