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[CompusMentus]

The crew and passengers of United Airlines Flight 175

On the morning of September 11 2001, United Airlines Flight 175 was flying to Los Angeles from Boston, and was hijacked by Islamic terrorists. Shortly after taking off it was deliberately flown into the South Tower of the World Trade Centre, New York.

59 passengers and crew were on board (not counting the hijackers).

All were killed.

UNITED AIRLINES FLIGHT 175 CREW

Michael R. Horrocks38, was First Officer of Flight 175. He lived in Glen Mills, Pennsylvania. He was a veteran of the United States Marine Corps where he served as an officer, pilot and flight instructor. He left behind a wife Miriam, and two children Michael and Christa.

This is a poem that Christa Horrocks wrote for her father.

About Daddy
by Christa

Daddy was a great man.
He was such fun to play with and be with.
I know he’s watching over us in heaven and he’ll be there until we join him one day.
I’m glad Daddy taught me all those nature things. Because Daddy’s everywhere.
He’s in the trees, the ground, the sky, the leaves, the ocean and the air.
I can breathe Daddy in with a big deep breath.
Daddy made me feel happy and playful.
He would want all of you to be happy and playful too.
When Daddy was away, he would send us big hugs through the phone.
Now we want to send Daddy big hugs ! HUGGGGGG!
And we love you up to the moon and back!


Source:- HERE

Immutable facts. Unassailable reason.


Compus

 

[TJM]

Greetings Victims' Family Members,<snip>

So they were bought off? You appeal to them then insult them in the most heinous manner possible?

Let's try this for example:

Say for instance your beloved Dr. Wood was having a stroll in the park when she's rounded up by the local authorities for not having her tag collar on. She's then taken to the local shelter and subsequently euthanized because nobody claimed her in the allotted time. You're shocked, angry, sad and now have a void in your life that nobody could ever fill.

How much money could you be bought off for?

Or would you bite clean through those restraints and get yourself online immediately, attendants be damned!

I think we both know the answer.

Extra added bonus question:

Is Ed Felt listed on the 9-11 Compensation Fund list?

Come on Victims Family Members, please speak up.

That would be a question for his family, don't you agree? You could also ask them why Wally Miller found his DNA in a crater in Shanksville, along with the other victims.

 

[jammonius]

http://enrevanche.blogspot.com/2006/09/in-memoriam-michael-robert-horrocks.html

The above is Compus' source for something he claims about 9/11 in post # 2601.

That source, by its own statement, is one that engages in making up stories.

Here is its modus operandi:

"As part of The 2,996 Project, bloggers around the world are marking the five-year anniversary of the 9/11 terrorist attacks by writing memorials for the victims of the attacks. Bloggers sign up for the project and are assigned, at random, a person to profile."


Compus is proving the point that the common storyline of 9/11 is an illusion, furthered by deliberate and intentional propaganda. I'm surprised that Compus would seek to do that in this thread. Compus is fooling no one except Compus and those who want to be fooled.

If anything, the NO PLANE claim is advanced, deepened and furthered by tactics like that used by Compus that places reliance on obvious fraud to prove the common storyline of 9/11.

 

[bill smith]

http://enrevanche.blogspot.com/2006/09/in-memoriam-michael-robert-horrocks.html

The above is Compus' source for something he claims about 9/11 in post # 2601.

That source, by its own statement, is one that engages in making up stories.

Here is its modus operandi:

"As part of The 2,996 Project, bloggers around the world are marking the five-year anniversary of the 9/11 terrorist attacks by writing memorials for the victims of the attacks. Bloggers sign up for the project and are assigned, at random, a person to profile."


Compus is proving the point that the common storyline of 9/11 is an illusion, furthered by deliberate and intentional propaganda. I'm surprised that Compus would seek to do that in this thread. Compus is fooling no one except Compus and those who want to be fooled.

If anything, the NO PLANE claim is advanced, deepened and furthered by tactics like that used by Compus that places reliance on obvious fraud to prove the common storyline of 9/11.

Exactly. As a well known commntator said....

''....most propaganda is not designed to fool the critical thinker but is only to give moral cowards an excuse not to think at all.".

 

[The Platypus]

Exactly. As a well known commntator said....

''....most propaganda is not designed to fool the critical thinker but only to give moral cowards an excuse not to think at all.".

Which exactly describes you 911 cult drones. Moral cowards that have fallen for propaganda designed to give you an excuse to not think at all...

 

[9/11 Chewy Defense]

Compus is proving the point that the common storyline of 9/11 is an illusion, furthered by deliberate and intentional propaganda. I'm surprised that Compus would seek to do that in this thread. Compus is fooling no one except Compus and those who want to be fooled.

If anything, the NO PLANE claim is advanced, deepened and furthered by tactics like that used by Compus that places reliance on obvious fraud to prove the common storyline of 9/11.

Sorry, but thousands of people witnessed the events unfold on 9/11. 9/11 wasn't an "illusion" just because you say it is because you suffer from delusions of granduer.

Jam, you're all talk & nothing else. You haven't even put forth an effort to prove your silly non-sense about your pathetic "No-plane" theories with evidence.

Have you ever personally talked with any of the 9/11 Families who lost their loved ones from the 4 hijacked flights? The answer I know is: No! So not only have you degraded yourself as a pathetic researcher, but you've degraded the 9/11 Families loved ones as well. Your delusions can only go so far until you've ticked off enough people that they turn against you. Your arrogance will cause people to feel that you're inhuman or inhumane, from which your posts suggest that you're incapable of compassion towards those who lost loved ones.

Did you ever lose anyone close to you? Did you ever think for a moment that people would say terrible things about your deceased relative, like the way you've done with the 9/11 Families?

 

[Andy_Ross]

http://enrevanche.blogspot.com/2006/09/in-memoriam-michael-robert-horrocks.html

The above is Compus' source for something he claims about 9/11 in post # 2601.

That source, by its own statement, is one that engages in making up stories.

Here is its modus operandi:

"As part of The 2,996 Project, bloggers around the world are marking the five-year anniversary of the 9/11 terrorist attacks by writing memorials for the victims of the attacks. Bloggers sign up for the project and are assigned, at random, a person to profile."


Compus is proving the point that the common storyline of 9/11 is an illusion, furthered by deliberate and intentional propaganda. I'm surprised that Compus would seek to do that in this thread. Compus is fooling no one except Compus and those who want to be fooled.

If anything, the NO PLANE claim is advanced, deepened and furthered by tactics like that used by Compus that places reliance on obvious fraud to prove the common storyline of 9/11.

So what happened to all the flight crew and passangers of the AIrcraft?

What happened to the aircraft?

 

[bill smith]

Which exactly describes you 911 cult drones. Moral cowards that have fallen for propaganda designed to give you an excuse to not think at all...

This is an older ersion of the same thing.

"Propaganda is not meant to fool the intelligencia, it is merely meant to provide them an excuse to avoid seeing ugly realities they’d sooner not believe.”

That would be the bulk of American citizens who actively avoid recognising the 9/11 problems and are glad to grasp the straws you guys push into their hands so that they may keep their eyes blessedly shut.

But like that crazy guy on the subway whose eyes you do not want to meet- sooner ar later you will have to look him in the eye and take the consequences.

It's that or live the lie forever with everybody else on Earth knowing you are lying and living a lie.300 million people. Sheltering a handful of mass-murderers.

It would be funny if it wasn't so sad.

 

[Andy_Ross]

This is an older ersion of the same thing.

"Propaganda is not meant to fool the intelligencia, it is merely meant to provide them an excuse to avoid seeing ugly realities they’d sooner not believe.”

That would be the bulk of American citizens who actively avoid recognising the 9/11 problems and are glad to grasp the straws you guys push into their hands so that they may keep their eyes blessedly closed.

But like that crazy guy on the subway whose eyes you do not want to meet- sooner ar later you will have to look him in the eye and take the cnsequences.

It's that or live the lie forever with everybody else on Earth knowing you are lying and living a lie.300 million people. Sheltering mass-murderers.

It would be funny if it wasn't so sad.

So what happened to the aircraft, passengers and crew? I notice you are always careful to avoid answering these questions.

Do you honestly think tere were no aircraft involved?
What did thousands of witnesses see hitting the towers then?

 

[bill smith]

So what happened to the aircraft, passengers and crew? I notice you are always careful to avoid answering these questions.

Do you honestly think tere were no aircraft involved?
What did thousands of witnesses see hitting the towers then?

like I said I have not really studied that though 9/11 Island could aybe be one interesting possibility. There may be other possibilities too- who knows. Have you any suggestions yourself ?

 

[9/11 Chewy Defense]

But like that crazy guy on the subway whose eyes you do not want to meet- sooner ar later you will have to look him in the eye and take the consequences.

Are you that crazy guy on the subway? Can I look you in the eye & say that you're a God ****** fool for believing in a "Grand Government Conspiracy" by those who are foolish enough to believe such retarded BS? Can you deal with the consequence that you have no evidence to prove what you claim? Well can you Bill? Of course you can't, you can't deal with the fact that you have no evidence & you're just getting alot of people peeved off because you think you know what happened on 9/11.

 

[332nd]

This is an older ersion of the same thing.

"Propaganda is not meant to fool the intelligencia, it is merely meant to provide them an excuse to avoid seeing ugly realities they’d sooner not believe.”

That would be the bulk of American citizens who actively avoid recognising the 9/11 problems and are glad to grasp the straws you guys push into their hands so that they may keep their eyes blessedly closed.

But like that crazy guy on the subway whose eyes you do not want to meet- sooner ar later you will have to look him in the eye and take the cnsequences.

It's that or live the lie forever with everybody else on Earth knowing you are lying and living a lie.300 million people. Sheltering mass-murderers.

It would be funny if it wasn't so sad.

No it's funny. First you admit that truthers are the crazy guy on the subway and then you miss the fact that we have met his eyes and like the actual crazy guy found that truthers are sad, confused, often deluded people that just want a little attention. If one has a twisted enough sense of humor you get a few giggles and leave them alone til the next time you feel like engaging them. The main difference is that ever once in a while the crazy guy might impart some little gem of wisdom, I haven't seen a truther do that yet.

 

[9/11 Chewy Defense]

No it's funny. First you admit that truthers are the crazy guy on the subway and then you miss the fact that we have met his eyes and like the actual crazy guy found that truthers are sad, confused, often deluded people that just want a little attention. If one has a twisted enough sense of humor you get a few giggles and leave them alone til the next time you feel like engaging them. The main difference is that ever once in a while the crazy guy might impart some little gem of wisdom, I haven't seen a truther do that yet.

The day that any Truther posesses wisdom, will be the day when "hell freezes over". But knowing those Truthers, they would think that Hell froze over because the "Big Bad Government" conspired to freeze it with nano technology or some kind of explosives.

Truthers really are retarded, yes they are!

 

[TJM]

How much money can buy you off, jammonius?

Why did Wally Miller say Ed Felt's remains were identified and sent to his family?

 

[tuc0]

What happens to the crazy guy on the subway when he starts acting out his madness and harrassing people? Bill seems to think the crazy guy will be given the keys to the city while crowds cheer him on.

 

[jammonius]

So they were bought off? You appeal to them then insult them in the most heinous manner possible?

In post # 2598, I anticipated that the hardcore mindset of support of the common storyline of 9/11 would make it difficult for some posters here to understand where victims family members are actually coming from.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6161028&postcount=2598

In that post, I said that the following is considered typical of how victims family members actually think:

"I’ve discovered the system doesn’t work. I’m outraged. Not just that
my husband was murdered, but that three years later, nothing has
been done . . ..What 9/11 represented was a massive example of how
things don’t work. We have to be willing to stand up and fix this."

What you fail to grasp is that it is the victims family members who consider themselves to have been subjected to an attempt to pay them "hush money" and to hide information from them.

It is very telling, indeed, that the debunker side that pretends to express so much sympathy for victims hasn't got the foggiest clue where victims family members are actually coming from.

That is golden.

The fact is this, could a few of you who might not be too blinded by adherence to the common storyline but realize it: Actual victims are more sharply focused than are mere debunkers and dumb debunker websites. They have a true inspiration to find out what happened to their loved ones and they quickly learned that they were being given the run around and that nothing was as it appeared or was claimed to be.

Some debunkers might recall, for instance, that it was victims family members who were prime movers in getting any investigation at all into what happened. True, their efforts were stymied by the bogus 9/11 Commission and the fraudulent appearance of an investigation, resulting in a sham report.

But, to their credit, victims family members, have consistently led the fight to find out what happened on 9/11. Here, for instance, is a 2005 account of their then ongoing efforts in which they noted that the 9/11 Commission Report had yielded nothing much:

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpa...933A1575BC0A9639C8B63&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=2

So, AJM, you are way off the mark in trying to use the "hush money" claim in the way you did in your quoted post. You appear to not know anything at all about where victims family membes are really coming from.

Let's try this for example:

Say for instance your beloved Dr. Wood was having a stroll in the park when she's rounded up by the local authorities for not having her tag collar on. She's then taken to the local shelter and subsequently euthanized because nobody claimed her in the allotted time. You're shocked, angry, sad and now have a void in your life that nobody could ever fill.

How much money could you be bought off for?

Or would you bite clean through those restraints and get yourself online immediately, attendants be damned!

I think we both know the answer.

You appear to think the fact that there's never been a proper investigation of 9/11 by any competent and funded governmentally backed authority is a joke.

No, AJM, the joke is on you, based on your lame posting.

That would be a question for his family, don't you agree? You could also ask them why Wally Miller found his DNA in a crater in Shanksville, along with the other victims.

You are doing nothing more than perpetuating an illusion. There was no DNA identification of alleged passengers from an alleged jetliner crash in Shanksville, PA.

I won't ask you to source your claim. You won't. You can't; and, for alll I know, even if you could you probably wouldn't because you do not appear to place much importance on actual facts and provable claims based on your posts, including the one to which this one replies.

Once again, victims family members, now might be a good time to help set the record straight on where you folks are actually coming from.

Posters around here seem not to have the foggiest idea.

 

[X]

Have you any suggestions yourself ?

We have a coherent narrative, which explains all the events and evidence without resorting to wild speculation and impossible technologies.
To date, truthers do not.

No-plane hypotheses cannot even begin to explain the vast amount of evidence supporting the crashes of the 4 aircraft. It is the territory of fools. People more concerned with hating the government and pretending to be more "enlightened" than the "sheeple" than they are with actually understanding or learning anything.

They are insane.

Do you have a theory that explains all the evidence?
Or do you want to pretend that it was all faked, and that the victims are actually living on an island somewhere, having faked their death (willingly or not), and that somehow the thousands of people and massive budget such a plot would have required have stayed silent and undiscovered?

Do you really want to be the next to latch on to Jammonius' crazy-train?

 

[9/11 Chewy Defense]

My answers in bold:

What you fail to grasp is that it is the victims family members who consider themselves to have been subjected to an attempt to pay them "hush money" and to hide information from them.

Can you quote a family member that has stated that they were "paid off"?

It is very telling, indeed, that the debunker side that pretends to express so much sympathy for victims hasn't got the foggiest clue where victims family members are actually coming from.

We know where they're coming from, & alot of them have expressed their anger towards the 9/11 Truth Movement. They believe that the TM is disrespecting their deceased loved ones & are mocking their memory. If I had a relative that died on 9/11, I would sue those who would slander my relative.

The fact is this, could a few of you who might not be too blinded by adherence to the common storyline but realize it: Actual victims are more sharply focused than are mere debunkers and dumb debunker websites. They have a true inspiration to find out what happened to their loved ones and they quickly learned that they were being given the run around and that nothing was as it appeared or was claimed to be.

But you lost noone on 9/11! That point is quite clear in this case since you seem to be oblivious of their existence & you deny they ever existed. So how can you say that they never existed then turn around & defend them? You are demented!

Some debunkers might recall, for instance, that it was victims family members who were prime movers in getting any investigation at all into what happened. True, their efforts were stymied by the bogus 9/11 Commission and the fraudulent appearance of an investigation, resulting in a sham report.

Still, you have no relative that died on 9/11. So you've got nothing to say on behalf of the Family Members.

You are doing nothing more than perpetuating an illusion. There was no DNA identification of alleged passengers from an alleged jetliner crash in Shanksville, PA.

Oh really? Then explain to me why I've seen Mr. Miller picking up debris, a week after Flight 93 crashed? You weren't there to see him picking up debris. So what you say is false! I do live in Johnstown, PA BTW. I can take Route 219 South & go Route 30 East to get to Shanksville.

 

[CompusMentus]

The crew and passengers of United Airlines Flight 175

On the morning of September 11 2001, United Airlines Flight 175 was flying to Los Angeles from Boston, and was hijacked by Islamic terrorists. Shortly after taking off it was deliberately flown into the South Tower of the World Trade Centre, New York.

59 passengers and crew were on board (not counting the hijackers).

All were killed.


UNITED AIRLINES FLIGHT 175 CREW

Robert J. Fangman, 33, was one of seven flight attendants on Flight 175. He lived in Claymont Delaware. A single man, Bobby was part of a large family.

Talking about her son, his mother Ruth said "He was my baby, It hasn't really even sunk in yet....Words can't express how I feel. There's just a big hole in my heart.''

Source:- HERE


Immutable facts. Unassailable reason.


Compus

 

[jammonius]

My answers in bold:

"To me and many others that “compensation” appeared to be “hush money,” not “help money."

The above was previously quoted in post # 2598. Let me know if you need help in finding it in its larger context.

See: http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6161028&postcount=2598