Ed All 43 videos "Second Hit"" [Explosion]at WTC 2: Plane or No Plane?

[djlunacee]

I am no longer going to be polite to Jam. So, here goes.

Your posts disgust me. I have never EVER seen someone SO disrespectful in my entire life. You should just stop. Really. Just stop. You are so far down the rabbit hole, that you will never be able to see the light of day. Ever.

Your posts disgust me, and you should be ashamed. Hell, I am ashamed to share the same human DNA as you.

Agreed.

 

[fess]

You may continue to repeat your false mantra as long as you can. You have not, will not, and cannot prove there are "...thousands of people in New York and New Jersey who saw it with their own eyes ...".

You appear to be unable to face the reality that you cannot prove that claim.

I wonder what these people are looking at?

 

[Tinfoil Hater]

I am no longer going to be polite to Jam. So, here goes.

Your posts disgust me. I have never EVER seen someone SO disrespectful in my entire life. You should just stop. Really. Just stop. You are so far down the rabbit hole, that you will never be able to see the light of day. Ever.

Your posts disgust me, and you should be ashamed. Hell, I am ashamed to share the same human DNA as you.

In jammy's postes, I haven't seen any indication of compassion or sympathy for the murdered 9/11 victims or their families. In Jamm's postes, it's as if those who died are seen as abtract concepts, without identity, definition or form. This is the kind of unstable personality that I could see harassing or threatening the family members of 9/11 murder victims.

 

[jammonius]

I know what happened to Ed. He ended his days as a DNA sample recovered from the Flight 93 crash site in Shanksville.

No, BigAl, that is not acceptable. First of all, there is no reliable DNA proof via publicly available information. Plus, you've rendered yourself virtually devoid of credibility as you have posted up countless times the question of what happened to Ed Felt based on the claim you were looking for an answer.

So, at a minimum, you have, as I have already pointed out, simply exposed yourself as having been engaging in a bad rhetorical ploy. For shame.

If you have private information concerning DNA, then you need to seek permission to have that discussed.

Furthermore, any attempt to hide behind the shield of "concern for the victims" is utterly disengenuous. As you now know, there is no proof of what happened on 9/11. Accordingly, there exists a vital need to try to find out what happened from people who may have some vital information. Doing so is the proper way to proceed. That includes opening up dialogue with the family of Ed Felt, and you need to tell them I said so, if you don't mind.

Of course, at some point we may reach the next layer of denial amongst debunkers; namely, that layer that discloses that, ultimately, debunkers may not really want to know what happened on 9/11. That may be one reason why they hold so tenaciously to stupid claims and latch onto any and all claims of "evidence" even if it is sourced, ultimately, to the good graces of the likes of Zacharias Moussaoui.

Fish or cut bait, BigAl.

ps

And the same goes for the rest of you who are posting up variations on the theme of righteous indignation. No, that is not an acceptble dodge, could a few of you but realize it.

What I said above is worth repeating here with emphasis:

Of course, at some point we may reach the next layer of denial amongst debunkers; namely, that layer that discloses that, ultimately, debunkers may not really want to know what happened on 9/11. That may be one reason why they hold so tenaciously to stupid claims and latch onto any and all claims of "evidence" even if it is sourced, ultimately, to the good graces of the likes of Zacharias Moussaoui.

I think we are approaching the point where some of you need to be confronted with a question or two from me. Let's start with these three, nice and easy ones:

Do you want to know what happened on 9/11?

Do you acknowledge there exists no validated and adequately proven record of what happened on 9/11?

You do realize that websites put together by amateurs under the generic description of debunker websites do not contain adequately sourced or properly proven claims about what happened on 9/11, don't you?

Optional bonus question:

You do grasp that your expressions of righteous indignation are utterly inappropriate and useless, right?

 

[Tinfoil Hater]

No, BigAl, that is not acceptable. First of all, there is no reliable DNA proof via publicly available information. Plus, you've rendered yourself virtually devoid of credibility as you have posted up countless times the question of what happened to Ed Felt based on the claim you were looking for an answer.

So, at a minimum, you have, as I have already pointed out, simply exposed yourself as having been engaging in a bad rhetorical ploy. For shame.

If you have private information concerning DNA, then you need to seek permission to have that discussed.

Furthermore, any attempt to hide behind the shield of "concern for the victims" is utterly disengenuous. As you now know, there is no proof of what happened on 9/11. Accordingly, there exists a vital need to try to find out what happened from people who may have some vital information. Doing so is the proper way to proceed. That includes opening up dialogue with the family of Ed Felt, and you need to tell them I said so, if you don't mind.

Of course, at some point we may reach the next layer of denial amongst debunkers; namely, that layer that discloses that, ultimately, debunkers may not really want to know what happened on 9/11. That may be one reason why they hold so tenaciously to stupid claims and latch onto any and all claims of "evidence" even if it is sourced, ultimately, to the good graces of the likes of Zacharias Moussaoui.

Fish or cut bait, BigAl.

Jam, we know what happened on 9/11. You live in a fantasy world, and have dreamed up your own fantasy. You have yet to cite proof to back your ridiculous claims.

Please stay away from the families of 9/11 victims. They are still grieving for their loss, and their pain will only grow as we approach the 10th anniversary. They know their loved ones were murdered on 9/11, and they don't need Truther scum like you threatening, harassing or bothering them.

 

[fess]

I am here and now going to bring this matter to a head.

Let's get it on.

OMG, are you threatening people now “Jammy”? You are losing control there big boy. Must be getting claustrophobic being so deep in that hole you have dug for yourself.

However, before you go completely off the deep end, why don’t you come to NYC? I’ll meet you at 49 Beekman St. in Manhattan. I’m quite sure the members of Engine 6 would love to sit down and talk to you. They may even give you a tour of their Seagrave engine, the one that replaced the engine destroyed on 9/11. The engine that has the names of the members of Engine 6 that lost their lives on 9/11 inscribed on it. Maybe you can convince them that no aircraft struck the WTC towers… or maybe not.

ps I posted this before seeing your most recent post. I think you should retract your last post. You are way over the top, imho. Unless you retract your last post, I will not respond to you anymore, anytime soon.

You of all people should ask someone to retract a post.

 

[jammonius]

No, I will not stay away from the families of 9/11 victims. I here renew my call to lurkers to specifically include families of 9/11 victims. This is serious. We need to dialogue. If you are a family member and especially a family member of someone who was said to have been onboard Flight 175, we, as a society, have an urgent need to be in communication with you.

Come on Lurkers, you've responded before, so please do so again, now, on an even more urgent basis.

Sincere thanks for your consideration of this request.

 

[Tinfoil Hater]

No, I will not stay away from the families of 9/11 victims. I here renew my call to lurkers to specifically include families of 9/11 victims. This is serious. We need to dialogue. If you are a family member and especially a family member of someone who was said to have been onboard Flight 175, we, as a society, have an urgent need to be in communication with you.

Come on Lurkers, you've responded before, so please do so again, now, on an even more urgent basis.

Sincere thanks for your consideration of this request.

So tell me Jam, since you don't think planes crashed on 9/11- it stands to reason you don't think those on the planes were really killed. At least you admit the families exist.

What will you do- harass the family members? Do you plan to call them in the am hours and demand they agree with your repellant theories?
Do you intend to threaten the families who reject your no-planer lunacy?

 

[fitzgibbon]

Sorry but is anything accomplished by engaging this modern-day equivalent to a Holocaust Denier? Posting here's a game for jammonius. He isn't even JAQing-off. He's just here to troll.

This thread lost any semblance of serving a useful purpose many, many pages ago.

 

[jammonius]

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However, before you go completely off the deep end, why don’t you come to NYC? I’ll meet you at 49 Beekman St. in Manhattan. I’m quite sure the members of Engine 6 would love to sit down and talk to you. They may even give you a tour of their Seagrave engine, the one that replaced the engine destroyed on 9/11. The engine that has the names of the members of Engine 6 that lost their lives on 9/11 inscribed on it. Maybe you can convince them that no aircraft struck the WTC towers… or maybe not.

I somehow had the impression you are from out in Pennsylvania, somewhere? I accept in principle your invitation to meet and will do so at the first mutually convenient time. You may PM me to discuss this and I will take you up on it without hesitation.

In your PM, please let me know which of the firefighters, if any, gave statements that are among the Task Force Witness Statement evidentiary set:

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packag...12_WTC_GRAPHIC/met_WTC_histories_full_01.html

I would like to read the accounts they gave of that harrowing day.

You of all people should ask someone to retract a post.

No. You are missing the point badly. The righteous indignation will not be permitted to interfere with the need to get information about what happened. The false concern for victims will not be tolerated. Instead, it will be called by its right name. It is a form of denial and it consists in a shameful process of using sympathy for victims to prevent an exploration of what happened.

As there is no official, verified explanation of the events of 9/11, it is our duty to the victims to do all we can to find out what happened. That is the proper and the respectful stance to take vis-a-vis the victims and some of you folks need to be told that as you appear not to get it as yet. However, that is going to change.

It is time for the true patriots to come to the aid of their country. In that respect and on that basis, I here renew the call to lurkers who are related to victims to post up. Your input here is vital. This is serious.

Get it yet?

 

[Macgyver1968]

Sorry but is anything accomplished by engaging this modern-day equivalent to a Holocaust Denier? Posting here's a game for jammonius. He isn't even JAQing-off. He's just here to troll.

This thread lost any semblance of serving a useful purpose many, many pages ago.

That's why I'm a lurker now...at least in this thread.

 

[Tinfoil Hater]

No. You are missing the point badly. The righteous indignation will not be permitted to interfere with the need to get information about what happened. The false concern for victims will not be tolerated. Instead, it will be called by its right name. It is a form of denial and it consists in a shameful process of using sympathy for victims to prevent an exploration of what happened.

As there is no official, verified explanation of the events of 9/11, it is our duty to the victims to do all we can to find out what happened. That is the proper and the respectful stance to take vis-a-vis the victims and some of you folks need to be told that as you appear not to get it as yet. However, that is going to change.

It is time for the true patriots to come to the aid of their country. In that respect and on that basis, I here renew the call to lurkers who are related to victims to post up. Your input here is vital. This is serious.

Get it yet?

This is a trainwreck in progress!

 

[332nd]

I'm going to assume you understand what I posted and have chosen to misstate it because it suits your purposes to do so.

all the best

Hmmm... there's an old saying about assume but in this case it's just you... no matter, the airlines said that Felt and Ong were on the planes that crashed and you continue to run from questions about them. You insist the the questions about them is a fallacy but you can't name the fallacy.

In all honesty you're acting like a kid caught in a lie and your imagination has run amok and you believe your story to the point that its real to you.

People have shown you where you're wrong over and over and you simply have insisted that you're right with no evidence except your spinning.

Sorry, but most of us don't believe in Santa.

 

[fess]

I somehow had the impression you are from out in Pennsylvania, somewhere? I accept in principle your invitation to meet and will do so at the first mutually convenient time. You may PM me to discuss this and I will take you up on it without hesitation.

Thats the best news I have had in a long time. No PM's nesessary, just let me know what time you will arrive.

In your PM, please let me know which of the firefighters, if any, gave statements that are among the Task Force Witness Statement evidentiary set:

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packag...12_WTC_GRAPHIC/met_WTC_histories_full_01.html

I would like to read the accounts they gave of that harrowing day.

Being that you don't believe anything you read, or hand wave it to the side, I'm sure they will only be more than happy to tell you their stories in person.

And, by the way;

Posted by Jammonius:
The Moussaoui trial evidence is not proof of anything beyond that one case. That is all that the Stipulation that Moussaoui signed can do; namely, indicate his agreement as to what evidence comes in.

Since when does a defendant in a criminal trial make the decision as to what evidence may be allowed to be entered?

 

[jammonius]

Hey Lurkers, demand better

Thats the best news I have had in a long time. No PM's nesessary, just let me know what time you will arrive.


Being that you don't believe anything you read, or hand wave it to the side, I'm sure they will only be more than happy to tell you their stories in person.

And, by the way;

Since when does a defendant in a criminal trial make the decision as to what evidence may be allowed to be entered?

Fess,

You have no right to BS like that. If you weren't serious about pursuing discussion with firefighters from Engine 6, then you should not have jerked us around like that.

I wasn't born yesterday. You put out a request to engage in an investigatory process involving Engine 6. Here are the firefighters I know of who either were assoicated with Engine 6 on 9/11 or who mentioned it in their statements:

Kevin Quinn
Edward Henry
William Green
Fred Marsilla

Have you spoken with any of them or not, Fess?

Cut the crap, please.

 

[Tinfoil Hater]

Fess,

You have no right to BS like that. If you weren't serious about pursuing discussion with firefighters from Engine 6, then you should not have jerked us around like that.

By 'us' do you mean the voices in your head?

 

[jammonius]

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Sorry, but most of us don't believe in Santa.

On the contrary. Posting up claims consisting in dogged adherence in the common storyline of 9/11 is precisely equivalent to a continuation of belief in Santa long past, say, age 7.

Quick, Redtail, what evidence that you know of convinces you of the correctness of the claim Flight 175 crashed into the South Tower?

Please say it is something other than what you saw on teevee, at least.

If you don't say it is something other than teevee, at least, then, in that event, it would appear you will need to spend the time between now and late December of this year being nice.

 

[Tinfoil Hater]

On the contrary. The dogged insistence in belief in the common storyline of 9/11 is precisely equivalent to a continuation of belief in Santa long past, say, age 7.

Quick, Redtail, what evidence that you know of convinces you of the correctness of the claim Flight 175 crashed into the South Tower?

Please say it is something other than what you saw on teevee, at least.

If you don't say it is something other than teevee, at least, then, I suggest you spend the time between now and late December of this year being nice.

You are hopeless.....

 

[Tinfoil Hater]

Quick, Redtail, what evidence that you know of convinces you of the correctness of the claim Flight 175 crashed into the South Tower?

Gee, lets see....thousands of people in Ny and NJ saw the planes hit the towers, airplane debris and body parts from the planes where strewn on the streets below, radar tracked the planes from the moment they took off to the moment they impacted, calls made from the planes indicated they had been hijacked, etc.......

Please indulge me- what would satisfy YOU as proof the planes hit the towers? What would YOU concider to be acceptable as evidence?

I hope you never serve on a jury. If a defendant being tried for murder had been caught on film killing someone, in front of multiple eye witnesses; even though there was a corpse and a murder weapon and witnesses, you would insist that there was no proof a murder had ever taken place.

 

[EventHorizon]

Gee, lets see....thousands of people in Ny and NJ saw the planes hit the towers, airplane debris and body parts from the planes where strewn on the streets below, radar tracked the planes from the moment they took off to the moment they impacted, calls made from the planes indicated they had been hijacked, etc.......

Please indulge me- what would satisfy YOU as proof the planes hit the towers? What would YOU concider to be acceptable as evidence?

I hope you never serve on a jury. If a defendant being tried for murder had been caught on film killing someone, in front of multiple eye witnesses; even though there was a corpse and a murder weapon and witnesses, you would insist that there was no proof a murder had ever taken place.

I could be wrong but I don't think the mentally ill are allowed to serve on juries.