Ed All 43 videos "Second Hit"" [Explosion]at WTC 2: Plane or No Plane?

[BigAl]

You may continue to repeat your false mantra as long as you can. You have not, will not, and cannot prove there are "...thousands of people in New York and New Jersey who saw it with their own eyes ...".

You appear to be unable to face the reality that you cannot prove that claim.

Thousands of people in New York and New Jersey saw a plane with their own eyes.

What happened to my work-mate, Ed Felt, who was last seen boarding Flight 93, who's name is on the Flight 93 manifest and who made a call from the plane while it was over Western PA describing the hijacking and who's DNA was recovered along with the DNA of everyone else listed on the boarding manifest and with essentially the entire plane, Flight 93?

 

[Tinfoil Hater]

You may continue to repeat your false mantra as long as you can. You have not, will not, and cannot prove there are "...thousands of people in New York and New Jersey who saw it with their own eyes ...".

You appear to be unable to face the reality that you cannot prove that claim.

The burden is on you to prove your claims, which you have failed to do. Nice try Jamm, you have zero evidence to back your delusions- you seem to take your lack of proof as being proof.

Here is a question jam- what is the population of area that was within view of the WTC? This includes the burroughs around Manhattan plus Jersey. You have no idea...Given that you think that nobody saw planes hit the WTC, you must think there are only a few people in the city..

 

[jammonius]

So the airlines put out a list containing the names of Felt and Ong showing that they were on the planes and you ignore the list by insisting in must be part of a psyop... Amazing. Not as good as "we doesn't include I " but still...

I'm going to assume you understand what I posted and have chosen to misstate it because it suits your purposes to do so.

all the best

 

[jammonius]

Oh Boy,

I think you posters have succeeded in derailing this thread away from the All43 video about Flight 175 and/or passenger lists or other evidence for that Flight. That is too bad.

I think a split thread, started by BigAl, containing the title "what happened to Ed Felt" should be started. Of course the sub-title of the thread should also include the fact that BigAl, though capable of asking the question appears incapable of getting an answer despite claiming to know the Felt family.

Interesting.

 

[BigAl]

In addition to BigAl refusing to engage in a process where his own question could be answered by Ed Felt's family,

I wouldn't disturb the family of a victim of the 19 hijackers for a grease stain such as yourself.

BigAl continues to just repeat, endlessly his same question.

And you continue to dodge the fact that real people died in the 4 planes on 9/11.

 

[jammonius]

I wouldn't disturb the family of a victim of the 19 hijackers for a grease stain such as yourself.



And you continue to dodge the fact that real people died in the 4 planes on 9/11.

The above is the real dodge. You don't want to find out what happened to Ed Felt, and never have, have you BigAl. I should like to recall for you that when you first raised this issue, you claimed, in substance, to be in contact with Ed Felt's wife.

This is what you posted back in February in the Flight 93 thread:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5631002&postcount=195

18th February 2010, 06:59 AM #195
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Originally Posted by jammonius
Posters,

In my opinion, AW Smith has come up with the most detailed attempt to prove Fl93 was hijacked and crashed.

The ugly part of jammonius's crap claims and frivolous demands, at least for me is that I had a work mate die on Flight 93. He made one of the phone calls. The wife and kids haven't heard from him since 9/11.

His name was Ed Felt. R.I.P.

I wonder where jammonius thinks he went to. To the extent that the wife knows about the "Truth Movement" claims about planes, it makes her sick.

jammonius, care to respond?


Source: http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5631002&postcount=195


I have now succeeded in calling your bluff, BigAl.

You put it out there that you are in touch with Mrs. Ed Felt and asked me to respond. I accepted your challenge and proposed communication with Mrs. Felt. You then backtracked like the dickens and have been dodging ever since. If you didn't want to find out from the actual source what happened to Ed Felt, namely, his next of kin, then why do you continuously badger me about it?

You don't appear, by your posting actions, to care about finding out what happened to Ed Felt at all. All you're really trying to do, it would appear, is use Ed Felt for your own purposes.

I leave it to you to examine your conscience on that. I suggest you cease and desist at long last, now that your posting ploy has been exposed for what it is. A ploy.
take care

 

[Tinfoil Hater]

My responses to jam are in bold

Let me suggest that you try rational discussion, reason and proper dialogue. Let me also suggest that you consider checking for emotional content and setting it aside.

I realize the people who were murdered on 9/11 mean nothing to you, in fact they mean so little to you, with a wave of your hand you insist hundreds of them (the people on the planes) never existed.


You are not holier than I am; you are not more concerned about victims than I am; and you are not more patriotic than I am."




Wrong on all three counts. I'm not holier than thou', but i am clearly saner than you... I am more concerned about the victims than you, and I am more patriotic than you.


Furthermore, BigAl cannot, on the one hand, claim to know the Felt family and, on the other, continue to ask the same question over-and-over again.



Because you refuse to answer the question. You claim the planes never crashed, yet never offered a theory as to what happened to the people on the planes. Do you doubt they existed? You are afraid to answer this question, because it will gut your no-planer delusion. You're a liar and a coward.

BigAl lost his friend on that awful day and you suggest he's a liar, and question if the Felt family is really grieving. How dare you!.You owe BigAl an apology!





I am here and now going to bring this matter to a head.

Let's get it on.


We're waiting...Tell us what you think happened to Betty ong and Ed Felt



ps

I posted this before seeing your most recent post. I think you should retract your last post. You are way over the top, imho. Unless you retract your last post, I will not respond to you anymore, anytime soon

Cry me a river. I have nothing to apologize for. You won't be missed, seek psychiatric help. .

 

[Tinfoil Hater]

Oh Boy,

I think you posters have succeeded in derailing this thread away from the All43 video about Flight 175 and/or passenger lists or other evidence for that Flight. That is too bad.

I think a split thread, started by BigAl, containing the title "what happened to Ed Felt" should be started. Of course the sub-title of the thread should also include the fact that BigAl, though capable of asking the question appears incapable of getting an answer despite claiming to know the Felt family.

Interesting.

You have yet to give an answer as to what you think happened to Betty ong and Ed Felt. Were they 'holograms? What do the voices in your head say?

It's amazing to me you seem unable to grasp that the fact there were people on the planes, whose body parts were found at all 3 crash sites totally discredits your no-planer theory.

no planes= no people. But the people who boarded the planes on 9/11 died in the crashes, which means the no-planer theory is mental illness fueled lunacy.

 

[BigAl]

You don't appear, by your posting actions, to care about finding out what happened to Ed Felt at all. All you're really trying to do, it would appear, is use Ed Felt for your own purposes.

I leave it to you to examine your conscience on that. I suggest you cease and desist at long last, now that your posting ploy has been exposed for what it is.

I know what happened to Ed. He ended his days as a DNA sample recovered from the Flight 93 crash site in Shanksville.

 

[Oystein]

Let me suggest that you try rational discussion, reason and proper dialogue.

No rational discussion, no proper dialogue is possible with a notorious liar.

Let me also suggest that you consider checking for emotional content and setting it aside.

That is possibly one huge problem with you: You are void of emotional attachment to fellow humans.
9/11 is such a huge and relevant event precisely because of the enormous size of human suffering.

It is unemotional freaks like you, constantly trampling on the human dignity of the living and the deceased, who poison everything here.

You are not holier than I am;

Everybody I have ever met in my life is holier than you are. No exception.

you are not more concerned about victims than I am;

Oh the hell he is!

...
Furthermore, BigAl cannot, on the one hand, claim to know the Felt family and, on the other, continue to ask the same question over-and-over again.

Of course he can. Al knows his answer to the question. It happens to be the true answer: Ed Felt died on 9/11 when hijacked flight 93 crashed into a field near Shanksville.

You understand that very well, jammonius. You only pretend you don't understand why Al's question is reasonable, valid and necessary and MUST absolutely be answered by you if you want to continue your shameful nonsense. You are the one claiming that no planes crashed on 9/11. If that is your theory, then Ed Felt did not die in a plane crash on 9/11. However, UA thought back then that Ed Felt died aboard flight 93. And Al had been missing his workmate ever since. YOU must explain these FACTS!

Stop playing this fake "polite" game. Your grammar may be polite, but every single sentence you write is actually an insult to everyone here.
Every time you dodge the question about the whereabouts of Ed Felt is a grave insult to his family and workmates and to our fellow poster BigAl.
Every time you dodge the question about Betty Ong, you insult her siblings Carrie, Gloria and Harry.
You have insulted every lurker who has ever come forward. Your superficially polite words can no longer disguise the fact that you intend to insult every one here and keep insulting us.

Stop the insults. Stop the lies.

And tell us: Where is Ed Felt? Where is Betty Ong?

 

[Oystein]

Oh Boy,

I think you posters have succeeded in derailing this thread away from the All43 video about Flight 175 and/or passenger lists or other evidence for that Flight. That is too bad.

I think a split thread, started by BigAl, containing the title "what happened to Ed Felt" should be started. Of course the sub-title of the thread should also include the fact that BigAl, though capable of asking the question appears incapable of getting an answer despite claiming to know the Felt family.

Interesting.

Nobody derailed anything exept you. You derailed the comcept of human dignity and compassion. You derail every bit of truth the moment you meet it.

You have made the insulting claim that no planes crashed on 9/11. Since from this logically follows that Ed felt did not die when flight 93 crashed, and Betty Ong did not die when flight 11 crashed, it is YOUR duty to present a different explanation as to why Ed Felt and Betty Ong are no more. An explanation that differs from the one BigAl gave you. That differs from the one Ed Felt's workmates and family have held as true for nearly 9 years. One that differs from the answers that Carrie, Gloria and Harry Ong know to be true.

Jammonius, that insulting lunacy of "no-planes" demands that YOU explain to Al, Carrie, Gloria and Harry: Where have Ed Felt and Betty Ong gone on 9/11?

 

[carlitos]

jammonius - if you fell that a post is inappropriate, just use the "report" function, found in the little triangle with the exclamation point, lower left of the post.

Everyone else - do you really want to get all wound up by this guy?

 

[Andy_Ross]

So where are the planes if they didn't hit the towers? They aren't flying anymore, they seem to have disappeared along withtheir crews and passengers. We know they existed, the manufacturers have records of building them. Contracting companies have records of where their parts went. There are airline records going back to their date of purchase showing all the servicing and overhaul details. Engineers and fitters worked on the aircraft and signed their names to the records. Contractors supplied parts and recieved parts back to refurbish from these aircraft, they signed for and certified them. Pilots have logged alltheir hours flying these aircraft.
Airport records going back to the date of purchase show the movements of the aircraft, their fuelling, servicing, landings and take offs.
There are thousands of passengers and hundreds of crew, hundreds of groundstaff and thousand of employees at the manufacturers who all saw and flew or worked on these aircraft.

Where are they?

 

[Tricky]

Keep it civil, folks.

Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: Tricky

 

[DGM]

Jammonius will never ever except anything that does not support his view of reality. He has the option to ignore anything that is "inconvenient" simply by making up a new reality.


If you argue with a crazy person you run the risk of bystanders not knowing who's who.

 

[dafydd]

BigAl is in a position to ask the family about what happened.

Big Al does not need to ask the family,they know what happened.The rest of your post was the usual evasive gibberish.Please have some respect for the victims.

 

[dafydd]

The above is the real dodge. You don't want to find out what happened to Ed Felt, and never have, have you BigAl. I should like to recall for you that when you first raised this issue, you claimed, in substance, to be in contact with Ed Felt's wife.

This is what you posted back in February in the Flight 93 thread:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5631002&postcount=195

18th February 2010, 06:59 AM #195
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The ugly part of jammonius's crap claims and frivolous demands, at least for me is that I had a work mate die on Flight 93. He made one of the phone calls. The wife and kids haven't heard from him since 9/11.

His name was Ed Felt. R.I.P.

I wonder where jammonius thinks he went to. To the extent that the wife knows about the "Truth Movement" claims about planes, it makes her sick.

jammonius, care to respond?


Source: http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5631002&postcount=195


I have now succeeded in calling your bluff, BigAl.

You put it out there that you are in touch with Mrs. Ed Felt and asked me to respond. I accepted your challenge and proposed communication with Mrs. Felt. You then backtracked like the dickens and have been dodging ever since. If you didn't want to find out from the actual source what happened to Ed Felt, namely, his next of kin, then why do you continuously badger me about it?

You don't appear, by your posting actions, to care about finding out what happened to Ed Felt at all. All you're really trying to do, it would appear, is use Ed Felt for your own purposes.

I leave it to you to examine your conscience on that. I suggest you cease and desist at long last, now that your posting ploy has been exposed for what it is. A ploy.
take care

We all know what happened to Ed Felt!

Please stop this,it's a vile insult to all the families who lost someone.

 

[dafydd]

You may continue to repeat your false mantra as long as you can. You have not, will not, and cannot prove there are "...thousands of people in New York and New Jersey who saw it with their own eyes ...".

You appear to be unable to face the reality that you cannot prove that claim.

We don't need to prove it,it happened.It is you who is divorced from reality.

 

[djlunacee]

You may continue to repeat your false mantra as long as you can. You have not, will not, and cannot prove there are "...thousands of people in New York and New Jersey who saw it with their own eyes ...".

You appear to be unable to face the reality that you cannot prove that claim.

and you have yet to prove that shadow thingy isn't a plane, flight 175 to be exact, the evidence is here in this thread, you have yet to refute any of the eyewitness statements, see I can do the same thing you are doing, they all saw a plane, end of story, nothing to argue, period, they are valid just because I say they are.

Your avoidance to answer specific questions about ed felt, or betty ong, show that you lack the moxie to support your no plane ignorance.

Its pretty simple, we have 50 some odd pages, not one lurker, not one has posted in agreement with you, regarding no planes.

See, this is pretty simple, if YOU can not explain all of the evidence, debris, DNA, body parts, eyewitness, and oh yes, those pesky passengers, need to be explained, frankly what it all boils down to is, its not what you believe, its what you can prove. So start providing proof of this DEW, hologram projector, and answer the question where are the passengers, oh I forgot, you don't play gotcha games or twenty questions. so just one very direct question. What happened to these passengers of flight 175?

We can start with Robert Fangman (flight attendant), or would you prefer we begin with Peter Hanson or Brian David Sweeney? All three made phone calls from flight 175, as a matter of fact, Peter Hanson was on the airphone with his father at the time of impact.

 

[triforcharity]

I am no longer going to be polite to Jam. So, here goes.

Your posts disgust me. I have never EVER seen someone SO disrespectful in my entire life. You should just stop. Really. Just stop. You are so far down the rabbit hole, that you will never be able to see the light of day. Ever.

Your posts disgust me, and you should be ashamed. Hell, I am ashamed to share the same human DNA as you.