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Britain and Torture

Giz said:
So you think he couldn't have honestly thought that it was the correct course of action and so backed GWB in accordance with that belief?
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Who knows what that sanctimonious hypocrite thought? If he thought.

I would refer you to the "dodgy dossier" and all the rest of the pathetic rationalisations for what they wanted to do.

Rolfe.
 
Undesired Walrus said:
I don't necessarily disagree with you, but I'd suggest that the direction of your rage be directed towards those who actually carried out the wicked deeds. After all, they weren't just empty automatons.
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Any reason I can't be completely disgusted with both sides of that deal?

Undesired Walrus said:
And despite Blair being Bush's doormat, and despite what he may have thought in private, there is no evidence of him ever justifying torture, and plenty of evidence of him and Brown saying the opposite.
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And the words of a politician with an axe to grind mean exactly how much...?

Rolfe.
 
Is it wrong that I feel slightly better about America doing this sort of thing because another country also thought it was a good idea?

Probably.
 
I find it surprising that it's apparently surprising to some. Did they really think that people of one nationality are that much different from another, that they wouldn't be capable of the same acts?
 
Just assume I have posted exactly what Rolfe has posted.

Shameful.
 
While it may be somewhat comforting for some Brits to pretend that their government's actions were the result of the encouragement and example of the US, let's not forget that they also have a fairly recent history of torturing their own citizens. It is certainly within the realm of possibility that the US didn't even torture anyone until shown the example by their more experienced war partner. Maybe we should blame the British example for the US crimes?

Every nation is responsible for their own actions. No one should ever go to war thinking that innocents will not be victimized as a result. Murder, torture, rape, theft and destruction happen in every war, even by the most noble nations and the most professional soldiers.

We ought to assume that people will be tortured in the course of a war, and calculate that into our decision to wage war to begin with. I don't mean to excuse crimes, they should be investigated and punished. But no one should ever be so naive as to think that when their nation goes to war, the people on the other side are going to treated justly.

Shameful, indeed. And human. We really ought to figure out a better way to deal with each other.
 
TragicMonkey said:
I find it surprising that it's apparently surprising to some. Did they really think that people of one nationality are that much different from another, that they wouldn't be capable of the same acts?
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Seriously. Maybe I'm a cynic but I always assume every country does this and the USA is just very bad at keeping it secret.

Somewhere in the world the Dutch have some dudes testicles attached to electrodes so that they can found out what he knows.
 
Michael Redman said:
While it may be somewhat comforting for some Brits to pretend that their government's actions were the result of the encouragement and example of the US, let's not forget that they also have a fairly recent history of torturing their own citizens.
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While I'm not in a position to argue with this, and actually I don't think the whole "Bush's poodle" is anything more than a factual explanation of what was going on (as opposed to an excuse), I'd welcome some specifics as to what you're talking about.

Rolfe.
 
It appears that Great Britain is nearly as bad as the United States with regard to disrespecting and violating human rights.
 
I don't care for what seem to me to be invidious comparisons. It does not matter who is doing it nor how much they are doing it: if they are doing it at all they should be prosecuted and I think it would be helpful if we condemned it wherever and whenever it comes to light.
 
Fiona said:
I don't care for what seem to me to be invidious comparisons. It does not matter who is doing it nor how much they are doing it: if they are doing it at all they should be prosecuted and I think it would be helpful if we condemned it wherever and whenever it comes to light.
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Completely agree, it is wrong, it should not happen and when it does no matter who does it or what excuses they give they should be punished.
 
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