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Apparently Dave Thomas and others debating Gage, Harrit etc on Coast to Coast?

bill smith said:
Even if your figures had been accurate
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First, the figure you are responding to here isn't the one I had to correct. The number of engineers across the US and Canada is nearly 2 million just as I said.

But the membership of Dick Gages stalinist personality cult isn't just drawn from the US and Canada, but from around the world. To be completely accurate, would have to compare AE911T's membership to the global count of engineers and architects.

It just gets worse and worse for you, Billy.

it cannot be assumed that they support the government OCT. In fact virtually none of the two million engineers have been asked to go on the record with their opinion.
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Yes it can. For the same reason you don't have to ask every physicist about the Law of Gravity and the Speed of Light.

ae911truth.org has 1200-plus degreed/licenced architects and engineers who have literally put their careers on the line
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That's because 9/11 CT's are such flatulent fantasies that signing aboard with AE911T is tantamount to a confession of professional incompetence.

No sane person would willingly walk into a building designed by someone who thinks fire can't weaken steel. No businessman who doesn't want to get his ass sued off will hire such a person to design buildings for him.

I doubt that the governmant can come up with 100 engineering names in total who agree in writing that the Towers collapsed because of fire, terrorists and planes.
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NIST employs almost 3,000 people.
 
bill smith said:
I am not aware of a single building code that has been changed im Europe in response to the NIST reports.
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Argument from ignorance. Appeal to false authority.

I doubt that Russia or China would have changed anything either.
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Argument from personal incredulity.

So I would be obliged if you would provide links to information on especially European building code changes in response to the NIST 9/11 reports.
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Moving of goalposts.
 
bill smith said:
The scientists who were contracted by NIST carried out compartmentalised studies on this or that particular sublect. The heads of NIST drew the disparate threads together into the woven lies of 9/11.
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Moving of goalposts.
Argumentum ad hominem.
Poisoning the well.
Bare assertion fallacy.
Poor spelling.
 
DaveThomasNMSR said:
My experience, at my first debate with Gage, was basically that after Gage spoke, the truthers still agreed with him, and he swayed a few undecideds. After I spoke, the truthers were still truthers, but the formerly undecideds switched back. So basically, a wash.
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No, Dave, that is a spectacular victory. As debunkers, we cannot expect to win converts from the Truther side. All we can hope is to prevent more people from being infected with the madness.

Great job!
 
Edx said:
http://911-engineers.blogspot.com/

If you scroll down you can see organisations affected, also see from the top of the next page .

Seems to be rather a lot, don't you agree?

So, see my previous question... Why don't they question it Bill? Are they just too stupid and believe everything they hear and only Gage's gaggle understand the truth?

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Also found an interesting quote:



http://www.skyscrapersafety.org/html/article_20040309.html
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Hi-rise buildings didn't collapse from the top down before they changed the codes and strangely they have not fallen down in that manner since . It's almost as if the code changes are purely cosmetic. A kind of window dressing.
IIt's as if the only examples in the recorded history of the planet Earth of the top-down collapse of a hi-rise building was on 9/11 itself when it happened not once but twice inside an hour
 
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bill smith said:
IIt's as if the only examples in the recorded history of the planet Earth of the top-down collapse of a hi-rise building was on 9/11 itself when it happened not once but twice inside an hour
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SO WHAT? Twoofers repeat this over, and over, as if it means something.
Do you even have a point?
 
Dog Town said:
SO WHAT? Twoofers repeat this over, and over, as if it means something.
Do you even have a point?
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Shhh....Best to let the readers decide about the odds of an utterly unique occurance in the recorded history of the planet Earth happening twice inside an hour .Especially when there are well-motivated high suspicions that the buildings were deliberately demolished.
 
bill smith said:
Shhh....Best to let the readers decide about the odds of an utterly unique occurance in the recorded history of the planet Earth happening twice inside an hour .Especially when there are well-motivated high suspicions that the buildings were deliberately demolished.
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Thanks, so you have no point what so ever. I get it, thank you for honesty!
 
bill smith said:
Hi-rise buildings didn't collapse from the top down before they changed the codes and strangely they have not fallen down in that manner since . It's almost as if the code changes are purely cosmetic. A kind of window dressing.
IIt's as if the only examples in the recorded history of the planet Earth of the top-down collapse of a hi-rise building was on 9/11 itself when it happened not once but twice inside an hour
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Didn't answer my question, again. Good one!
:rolleyes:
 
bill smith said:
Shhh....Best to let the readers decide about the odds of an utterly unique occurance in the recorded history of the planet Earth happening twice inside an hour .Especially when there are well-motivated high suspicions that the buildings were deliberately demolished.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwFHEoiUZ7o

not so unique. very well motivated suspicions though. got to fuel the flames of paranoia somehow. even the creationists are well motivated against evolution. do you have a point?
 
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bill smith said:
Shhh....Best to let the readers decide about the odds of an utterly unique occurance in the recorded history of the planet Earth happening twice inside an hour .
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NASA put 2 people on the surface of the moon within an hour of each other (Armstrong and Aldrin). That event was "utterly unique...in the recorded history of planet Earth". Besides hyperbole and obfuscation/avoidance, what IS your point?
 
bill smith said:
Shhh....Best to let the readers decide about the odds of an utterly unique occurance in the recorded history of the planet Earth happening twice inside an hour .Especially when there are well-motivated high suspicions that the buildings were deliberately demolished.
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Do you ever think about your posts before hitting the submit button? Something tells me that you'd be a piss-poor chess player.
 
bill smith said:
Shhh....Best to let the readers decide about the odds of an utterly unique occurance in the recorded history of the planet Earth happening twice inside an hour .Especially when there are well-motivated high suspicions that the buildings were deliberately demolished.
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Ah yes. The "odds".

Care to share the data you've accumulated or historical data you have used in order to determine that this was an odd occurrence?

Is this like the odds of being struck by lightning?
Is this like the odds of winning the lottery?

You and every other truther likes to toss this around like it means something.

So please. In order to discuss the odds of the towers collapsing like they did, please present your data. Please show use all the other 110 story towers, using a "tube in tube" design and steel infrastructure that were struck by jets in the upper third and remained standing after the fires.

From where I'm standing, this was a unique incident and you have no historical data from which to draw an "odds based" conclusion on how the towers SHOULD have collapsed.

I have a couple questions for you. If this incident never happened and NIST published their study as a possible scenario, could you or anyone else deem it physically impossible? If so, what parts of their study could you point to and and provide scientific/mathematic/structural evidence against that would make what NIST proposed a physical impossibility?
 
Harpo said:
NASA put 2 people on the surface of the moon within an hour of each other (Armstrong and Aldrin). That event was "utterly unique...in the recorded history of planet Earth". Besides hyperbole and obfuscation/avoidance, what IS your point?
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Bill is probably a moon hoaxer as well.
 
Harpo said:
NASA put 2 people on the surface of the moon within an hour of each other (Armstrong and Aldrin). That event was "utterly unique...in the recorded history of planet Earth".
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Depends on your definition of "planet Earth."
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Gentlemen of JREF:

Symmetrical Collapse - - PLUS - - Free Fall Speed - - EQUALS - - Explosives. Period.

End of debate.
 
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