Who started both World Wars?

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Can I ask my opponents to make themselves useful for a change and list the first German bombing raids of WW2, including date? Thanks in advance.

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Rotterdam May 14, 1940

In addition to what Uzzy said, there was also the bombing of Guernica, during the Spanish Civil War, carried out by German pilots flying Luftwaffe aircraft, dispatched by Hitler and Goering to Spain precisely for this purpose. It happened on April 26, 1937.
 
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I've been digging into the British bombing of Monchen-Gladbach, and it appears it was a small attack targeted at the rail and communications network there. This in no way contradicts RAF policy at the time, which was to target militarily important sites. The switch to area bombing came after the Rotterdam Blitz.

Oh well. I am sure we'll all be entertained by the attempt of nein/11 guy to excuse the German aerial attacks on undefended and militarily irrelevant Polish cities in the open salvo of the war.
 
I've been digging into the British bombing of Monchen-Gladbach, and it appears it was a small attack targeted at the rail and communications network there. This in no way contradicts RAF policy at the time, which was to target militarily important sites. The switch to area bombing came after the Rotterdam Blitz.

Oh well. I am sure we'll all be entertained by the attempt of nein/11 guy to excuse the German aerial attacks on undefended and militarily irrelevant Polish cities in the open salvo of the war.

uh oh uzzy, you used the nein/11 nickname. did you get the proper permission? rofl
 
(small detail: on the very day that Churchill became PM)

Err no

I know that it is difficult for you guys to construct a piece of text that exceeds 5 words. But you should trust you European cousin when he says that he has faith in you. Tip: sit on the edge of your chair and put tension to your jaws like in this picture. This helps in keeping your mind focussed for more than a few seconds. Success.

So, what is wrong with the assessment by Archibald Ramsay, the MP who was locked away for 4.5 years in jail without charges and conviction, that Britain started bombing shortly after Churchill became PM?

P.S. he became PM after he screwed up the invasion of Norway just like he had screwed up Gallipoli in Turkey. It was the intended invasion of Norway that forced Germany to invade Western Europe.
 
An interesting character to study for material for my blog is Archibald Maule Ramsay. Archibald who?

http://www.iamthewitness.com/books/Archibald.Maule.Ramsay/The.Nameless.War/00.Introduction.htm

Captain Archibald Maule Ramsay was educated at Eton and the Royal Military College, Sandhurst, and served with the 2nd Battalion Coldstream Guards in the First World War...

From 1920 he became a Member of H.M. Scottish Bodyguard. In 1931 he was elected a Member of Parliament for Midlothian and Peeblesshire.

Arrested under Regulation 18b on the 23rd May, 1940, he was detained, without charge or trial, in a cell in Brixton Prison until the 26th September, 1944. On the following morning he resumed his seat in the House of Commons and remained there until the end of that Parliament in 1945.


So why was he arrested and thrown in a British jail for 4.5 years without trial and charge?

"Captain Ramsay, a Christian gentleman of unflagging courage, believed that the war with Germany was not conceived in the interests of Britain and could lead only to the extension of Communist and Jewish power. Because he warned his fellow countrymen of the forces at work, he was put in prison without trial for four and a half years, for 'reasons' so preposterous that those who framed them dared not submit them to a court of law."

Answer: he understood the political game that was played by the Jews in British politics. And said so.

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No mention of Tyler Kent then?
A clue-he was a spy. Now you work the rest out. You need the practice.
 
I note that you are quoting from "The Nameless war". Good reliable source that. Here's what Wikipedia has to say about it.

"In 1952 Ramsay wrote The Nameless War as an autobiography and a plea to justify his actions. Much of the book consisted of an antisemitic conspiracy theory re-interpreting the whole of modern history as an ongoing Jewish campaign for world domination, quoting extensively from the The Protocols of the Elders of Zion whose authenticity he took for granted, and adding such assertions as that Calvin had been a Jew whose real name was "Cohen", that Cromwell had been "a paid agent of the Jews" and that the entire English Civil War and the execution of Charles I were staged for the sole purpose of allowing Jews to return to England."

Makes Buchanan look accurate.:boggled:
 
I note that you are quoting from "The Nameless war". Good reliable source that. Here's what Wikipedia has to say about it.

"In 1952 Ramsay wrote The Nameless War as an autobiography and a plea to justify his actions. Much of the book consisted of an antisemitic conspiracy theory re-interpreting the whole of modern history as an ongoing Jewish campaign for world domination, quoting extensively from the The Protocols of the Elders of Zion whose authenticity he took for granted, and adding such assertions as that Calvin had been a Jew whose real name was "Cohen", that Cromwell had been "a paid agent of the Jews" and that the entire English Civil War and the execution of Charles I were staged for the sole purpose of allowing Jews to return to England."

Makes Buchanan look accurate.:boggled:

Any idea why MP Ramsay was locked up during the war without charges and conviction? He represented a danger maybe for those who shaped policy?

Leaving Calvin=Cohen aside for a moment, Ramsay's observations about the role of the Jews in Britain during WW2 are not so farfetched. He was an MP, he was operating in the heart of British politics, for christ sake!

P.S. I am not taking sides in the Calvin=Cohen issue here, but Catholicism was an effective means in keeping the Jews in check for centuries. The idea that the People of the Book came up with a Calvinist ideology to give a philo-semitic twist to the rise of Protestantism (Martin Luther himself was as antisemitic as you can get, antisemitic as in 'seeing through the Jews') is not as far-fetched as it seems. Holland of the 17th century was the first explicit calvinist-protestant nation and was very Jew-friendly because of it's calvinist ideology. Amsterdam became the center of 'international Jewry' after they were kicked out of Spain (from what country were they not kicked out at some point?). From Amsterdam the global rise of the Jews was prepared by the Jewish financed Dutch invasion of Britain ('Glorious Revolution' under King Billy). The Dutch interest was to subjugate Britain and rob it's treasury to fight the other catholic bully France (Britain and France had raped Holland in 1972). A marvellous move by the Dutch, the most daring one in their history, blocking 2 entities with 10 times their population base. But hey, does not Holland always send big bullies home early on? :D Just kidding **. But the Jewish interest was to gain a foothold in Britain and later to America. The great Dutch/American anti-semite Peter Stuyvesant (my avatar) warned against the Jews ('a treacherous people'), to no avail. Dutch founded and owned New Amsterdam now turned into the 'Jewish owned' New York (thanks to the British, who else?) and in parallel the American Republic modelled after the Dutch Republic (the Declaration of Independence is basically a literally copy of our 'Acte van Verlatinge') slowly morphed into the ZOG-joint that it is today. The rise of the Henry Ford-ian 'International Jew' is unthinkable without the Dutch catalyst. Unfortunately.

** what happened yesterday here in Amsterdam was a massive thinly veiled display of nationalism. 700,000+ people, invariable dressed in Orange celebrating the 2nd position in the biggest world sports tournament, in a sport that comes closest in modelling a war (voetbal is oorlog). The anti-immigrant party PVV is now by far the largest in the polls. Holland is one of the most likely candidates of becoming once again the spearhead of yet another global identitarian movement. Holland was the first fully fledged modern nation in world history. It could be the first to radically say no against the massive invasion from the south. Apartheid is a Dutch word. The Dutch have the name of being tolerant, a left-over of the historic compromise in the Catholic-Protestant conflict of centuries ago, now wrongly interpreted as an invation to the rest of the world to take our country over. Don't underestimate the Dutch pride. We are not dead by a long shot.
 
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Still the silly kiddy Disney interpretation of events.

I'm not the one offering this as a summary:

Here is a better one: WW2 was a war between the dummies of the white race led by Jews against the core of the white race.

This is an invention, pure and simple. In fact, it doesn't even make sense.

WW2 was a war between the axis, the aggressor, and the countries that responded to their attacks.

Jews won, Europe lost.

:rolleyes: What did Jews win, exactly ?

The only race who is able to set and implement interplanetary goals is now framed in a diabolical dialectical prison of words (racism, equality, terrorism) and historic lies (the 'Good War', H-word, 9/11), designed by Jews aimed at the dumbing down through mongrelization and subsequent destruction of European Civilization, both here and in America (but America has an 'Uncle Tom head start'). The escape from that prison, the survival of the white race and the resurrection of that Civilization (in Europe), that's what is at stake here.

What in the blue hell are you talking about ? This isn't an argument, this is you making stuff up.

Translation: if 911I says that 2 + 2 = 4 than he is entirely unreasonable.

You really need a new script writer!

Wow. And YOU need some courses in English.

I was refering specifically to YOUR COMMENTS, not some other subject. Your tendency to lie and obfuscate in an attempt to appear to have the upper hand in a debate is apalling and disgusting.
 
Links related Buchanan's book:

Straight from Pat's living room, 90 minutes discussion of his book and his library:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2426421007058157682#
One of the last sane last-of-the-Mohicans conservative voices from a dying America. Mentions the Lusitania and 'surrounding conspiracy theories' in passing. Go to 1:03:00 and listen to the apocaliptic view of the Christian West: Cafe Terminus, he calls it.
That's right Pat, the Christian West is dead. The kissie-kissie-love-theigh-neighbour Christian West is dead. Just in time. So the most interesting question now is: what comes next? Can you spell the word 'tribal'?

http://antiwar.com/pat/?articleid=13039
Buchanan responds to criticism of (self-hating Jew?) Christopher Hitchins

http://antiwar.com/pat/?articleid=13021
Similar, also responding to Newsweek review

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6146851864885849108&hl=nl&emb=1#
Victor Davis Hanson and Christopher Hitchens take on the World War II revisionists, focusing first on Patrick J. Buchanan, the author, most recently, of Churchill, Hitler, and the Unnecessary War.
 
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That's not even a sentence.

No, they are 2 sentences. You need glasses.

Belz tries to win the argument by commenting the English speaking abilities of a Dutch native speaker. That shows your level of desperation and intellectual impotence. 3 content free garbage posts, chapeau!
 
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I know that it is difficult for you guys to construct a piece of text that exceeds 5 words. But you should trust you European cousin when he says that he has faith in you. Tip: sit on the edge of your chair and put tension to your jaws like in this picture. This helps in keeping your mind focussed for more than a few seconds. Success.

Rather than being an elitist you should check your dates. Churchill became PM on the 10th not the 11th
 
No, they are 2 sentences. You need glasses.

Belz tries to win the argument by commenting the English speaking abilities of a Dutch native speaker. That shows your level of desperation and intellectual impotence. 3 content free garbage posts, chapeau!

Blah blah blah.

Your post didn't make any sense. Being able to understand your word salad is important if we're to know that what you say is garbage.

And for what it's worth, I'm not an native English speaker, either. And if my posts don't make sense you can ask for clarification without me feeling insulted. After all, YOU're the one who made a mistake.

I also notice you called the first of my posts today "content free". Sure.If you ignore everything I said, there is no content to it.
 
Any idea why MP Ramsay was locked up during the war without charges and conviction? He represented a danger maybe for those who shaped policy?.
Have you actually read any of what people post here? Tyler Kent is your answer.
Against my better judgement here is a link to the National Archive. Using your rudimentary search skills see if you can find Tyler Kent. Then see if you can work out why Ramsay was arrested and detained. Should not be too hard.
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documents/nov2001.pdf

Leaving Calvin=Cohen aside for a moment,
Translation. I'm ignoring the truth about Ramsay's book.
Ramsay's observations about the role of the Jews in Britain during WW2 are not so farfetched. He was an MP, he was operating in the heart of British politics, for christ sake!
Yes, because the Potato Marketing Board has always been central to British politics.
 
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