Merged Continuation - 9/11 CT subforum General Discussion Thread

[DGM]

Why, don't you know where the "cherry picked" quotes you posted actually came from?

Bill, It's been 9 years, everyone already knows.

 

[bill smith]

I must say that the Pentagon doesn't call the several thousand debunkers in their employ 'propaganda assets' for nothing.

 

[DGM]

Good one Bill. Why don't you just show all the testimonies? Are you a "propaganda asset"?

 

[bill smith]

Good one Bill. Why don't you just show all the testimonies? Are you a "propaganda asset"?

Have you seen these ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awy8cmcuBlk&feature=related video on cointelpro

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JC_7YD2vmbA&feature=player_embedded#! cointelpro 2

 

[tsig]

I must say that the Pentagon doesn't call the several thousand debunkers in their employ 'propaganda assets' for nothing.

Are you accusing anyone here of being a 'propaganda asset' ?

 

[fess]

Post by request of triforcharity...


“I… looked up out of the office window to see what seemed like perfectly synchronized explosions coming from each floor, spewing glass and metal outward. One after the other, from top to bottom, with a fraction of a second between, the floors blew to pieces.”
“I remember seeing, it looked like sparkling around one specific layer of the building.… Then the building started to come down. My initial reaction was that this was exactly the way it looks when they show you those implosions on TV.”
"I saw a flash flash flash and then it looked like the building came down.… You know like when they demolish a building, how when they blow up a building, when it falls down? That’s what I thought I saw.”
“It seemed like on television they blow up these buildings. It seemed like it was going all the way around like a belt, all these explosions.”
“As we are looking up at the building, what I saw was, it looked like the building was blowing out on all four sides. We actually heard the pops.… You thought it was just blowing out.” [City of New York, 12/11/2001]
“[T]here was what appeared to be at first an explosion. It appeared at the very top, simultaneously from all four sides, materials shot out horizontally. And then there seemed to be a momentary delay before you could see the beginning of the collapse.”
“I was watching the fire… the lowest floor of fire in the South Tower actually looked like someone had planted explosives around it because the whole bottom I could see—I could see two sides of it and the other side—it just looked like that floor blew out.… I thought, geez, this looks like an explosion up there, it blew out.”
“Then the building popped, lower than the fire… I was going oh, my god, there is secondary device because the way the building popped I thought it was an explosion.” Yadda, yadda, yadda..

Theres a lot of visual looked like, saw, see, appeared, but not one claim that there acually was a "planted" explosion.

 

[T.A.M.]

Possibly-possibly not. Not if I consider it debunker time wasting rubbish.


Ah...now I see. I personally prefer to keep the jref as it is. It is a great help to 9/11 truth and becoming more so every day.

lol nice try bill. That type of reverse psych crap might work on the little black shirts you talk to, and possibly the naive newbies you confront, but not here. We know how much of a thorn the JREF forum has been to the pathetic TM...

TAM

 

[Cl1mh4224rd]

[ Bah. Lame post. Ignore. ]

 

[bill smith]

Theres a lot of visual looked like, saw, see, appeared, but not one claim that there acually was a "planted" explosion.

Everybody knew that planes had crashed into the buildings and as a result the very last thought in anyone's mind was of deliberate controlled demolition. Though as you can see from these few sratements they came very close despite that.

And remember that nothing sounds more like an explosion than an explosion. Especially to these trained and experienced experts.

 

[240-185]

Frédéric Henry-Couannier, known here as "henryco", has the ultimate hypothesis about what brought down the Twin Towers:

Hypothèse Ultime: thermobarique à aérosol de micro-poussières de Nanothermite ?

roughly tranlsated as:

Ultimate hypothesis: thermobaric weapons in aerosol with micro-dust of nanothermite?

Who said "bullcrap"?

 

[DGM]

Have you seen these ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awy8cmcuBlk&feature=related video on cointelpro

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JC_7YD2vmbA&feature=player_embedded#! cointelpro 2

Yes. Explains well what your trying to do.

 

[grandmastershek]

quick question. didn't s. jones say he saw large chunks of concrete at the WTC or something like that at some point? source would be appreciated. can't find it.

 

[Grizzly Bear]

I took this out of the source thread to avoid making it a consistent derail.

But before you do, please know that I am not debating whether or not thermal expansion can occur.

I'm questioning whether or not NIST has proven that it did occur,

You're hold a contradictory position which makes absolutely no sense.

[I'm questioning whether or not NIST has proven that it] its occurence lead to the collapse of a single column, which in short order, lead to the collapse of the entire building.

As you said to me:

I'm pretty sure "the properties of the steel used in the building's construction are very well known and documented."

The NIST cannot manipulate this information and get away with it so easily. This is the kind of literature available to both architects and engineers who work on design on a daily basis. If you have this and the structural plans of a building you can pretty accurately gauge how the loss of any structural member will affect the parts, or whole, of the building. Why would using these in the absence of a physical sample of the building itself be nothing more than speculation?

 

[triforcharity]

Nice jub Bill. You know that you are not supposed to take huge texts and post them without citing your source.

Here is where you got this garbage from.

http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=edward_cachia_1

Now, on to the fun stuff.

Reporter John Bussey watches the collapse from the Wall Street Journal’s offices across the street from the WTC. He says, “I… looked up out of the office window to see what seemed like perfectly synchronized explosions coming from each floor, spewing glass and metal outward. One after the other, from top to bottom, with a fraction of a second between, the floors blew to pieces.” [Wall Street Journal, 9/12/2001]

In the very next sentence

"It was the building apparently collapsing in on itself, pancaking to the earth."

http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/040802pulitzer5.htm

Deputy Fire Commissioner Thomas Fitzpatrick: “I remember seeing, it looked like sparkling around one specific layer of the building.… Then the building started to come down. My initial reaction was that this was exactly the way it looks when they show you those implosions on TV.” [City of New York, 10/1/2001]

Here is the part they left out.
"I assume now that that was either windows starting to collapse like tinsel or something. Then the building started to come down."

From here http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110001.PDF
Page 13-14

Assistant Fire Commissioner Stephen Gregory: “I saw low-level flashes. In my conversation with Lieutenant Evangelista… he questioned me and asked me if I saw low-level flashes in front of the building, and I agreed with him… I saw a flash flash flash and then it looked like the building came down.… You know like when they demolish a building, how when they blow up a building, when it falls down? That’s what I thought I saw.” [City of New York, 10/3/2001]

Here is a good one. It takes a little bit of diggin to figure it out.

Here is what he says later in the interview about this subject.

"I don't know if that means anything. I mean, I equate it to the building coming down and pushing things down, it could have been electrical explosions, it could have been whatever."


From here http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110008.PDF
Page 15

Firefighter Richard Banaciski: “It seemed like on television they blow up these buildings. It seemed like it was going all the way around like a belt, all these explosions.” [City of New York, 12/6/2001]

Talking about the collapse iniation.

From here
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110253.PDF

Firefighter Joseph Meola: “As we are looking up at the building, what I saw was, it looked like the building was blowing out on all four sides. We actually heard the pops.… You thought it was just blowing out.” [City of New York, 12/11/2001]

Here is a great one, as it DELIBERATLY leaves out the highlited part.

"As we are looking up at the building, what I saw was, it looked like the building was blowing out on all four sides. We actually heard the pops. Didn't realize it was the falling -- you know, you heard the
pops of the building. You thought it was just blowing out."

From here
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110287.PDF

Page 5

Fire Chief Frank Cruthers: “[T]here was what appeared to be at first an explosion. It appeared at the very top, simultaneously from all four sides, materials shot out horizontally. And then there seemed to be a momentary delay before you could see the beginning of the collapse.” [City of New York, 10/31/2001]

Uses similies and comparisons. He is describing the collapse iniation.

From here.

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110179.PDF

Battalion Chief Brian Dixon: “I was watching the fire… the lowest floor of fire in the South Tower actually looked like someone had planted explosives around it because the whole bottom I could see—I could see two sides of it and the other side—it just looked like that floor blew out.… I thought, geez, this looks like an explosion up there, it blew out.” [City of New York, 10/25/2001]

Here is the VERY NEXT PARAGRAPH!!

"Then I guess in some sense of time we looked at it and realized, no, actually it just collapsed. That's what blew out the windows, not that there was an explosion there but that windows blew out."


Holy **** Batman!!

From here.

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110166.PDF

Page 15

Firefighter Timothy Burke: “Then the building popped, lower than the fire… I was going oh, my god, there is secondary device because the way the building popped I thought it was an explosion.” [City of New York, 1/22/2002]

Here is what they left out...

"WHICH I LEARNED WAS I GUESS THE AVIATION FUEL FELL INTO THE PIT AND WHATEVER FLOOR IT FELL ON HEATED UP REALLY BAD AND THATS WHY IT POPPED AT THAT FLOOR THATS THE RUMOR HEARD"

From here.
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110488.PDF

I wonder why they always leave this stuff out Bill.....

Firefighter Edward Cachia: “It actually gave at a lower floor, not the floor where the plane hit, because we originally had thought there was like an internal detonation explosives because it went in succession, boom, boom, boom, boom, and then the tower came down.” [City of New York, 12/6/2001]

I know reading for comprehension is lost on some, but the hilited part implies he thought that originally, but no longer believe that.
Oh, and he is talking about the collapse iniation, and uses similie and comparison.
From here
http://www.nytimes.com/packages/html/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110251.PDF

Page 5

Firefighter Kenneth Rogers: “[T]here was an explosion in the South Tower… I kept watching. Floor after floor after floor. One floor under another after another and when it hit about the fifth floor, I figured it was a bomb, because it looked like a synchronized deliberate kind of thing.” [City of New York, 12/10/2001]

Describing the collapse iniation and the collapse itself. Not before.

From here

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110290.PDF
Page 8

Reporter Beth Fertig: “The tower went down perfectly straight, as if a demolition crew had imploded it. I wondered if it was being brought down deliberately.” [Gilbert et al., 2002, pp. 78]

Here isa good one. She also describs the rumble of the collapse in the very same paragraph. But she NEVER said "I wondered if it was being brought down deliverately." That was added.

She also described the sound as "an elevated train right above my head." Does this mean she was in fact under an EL? No.


Here it is, in its entirety.

http://books.google.com/books?id=0K... a demolition crew had imploded it. "&f=false

Paramedic Daniel Rivera: “[D]o you ever see professional demolition where they set the charges on certain floors and then you hear ‘Pop, pop, pop, pop, pop’? That’s exactly what—because I thought it was that.” [City of New York, 10/10/2001]

Here is the entire quote.

q: HOW DID YOU KNOW THAT IT WAS COMING DOWN?
a: THAT NOISE IT WAS NOISE
q: WHAT DID YOU HEAR? WHAT DID YOU SEE?
a: IT WAS A FRIGGING NOISE. AT FIRST I THOUGHT IT WAS---DO YOU EVER SEE PROFESSIONALDEMOLITION WHERE THEY SET THE CHARGES ON CERTAIN
FLOORS AND THEN YOU HEAR POP POP POP POP POP? THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT-- BECAUSE THOUGHT IT WAS THAT WHEN HEARD THAT FRIGGING NOISE THAT'S WHEN SAWTHE BUILDING COMING DOWN.

He is describing the collapse.
From here
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110035.PDF

page 9

Battalion Chief Dominick DeRubbio: “It was weird how it started to come down. It looked like it was a timed explosion.” [City of New York, 10/12/2001]

Here is a doozie. The blatent dishonesty is made VERY clear with this one.

Here is his entire quote.

"It was weird how it started to come down. It looked like it was a timed explosion, but I guess it was just the floors starting to pancake one on top of the other.
Hilite mine.

From here, Page 5
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110064.PDF

HOW THE **** does whomever put this tripe together LEAVE UT THE VERY NEXT SENTENCE!?!?! Because whomever wrote this load of **** is a LIAR.

Now, don't post that **** again Bill.

 

[twinstead]

Quote mining ROCKS, eh bill?

 

[Grizzly Bear]

Now, don't post that **** again Bill.

Expecting BS to post anything but is being way too optimistic IMO

 

[triforcharity]

Expecting BS to post anything but is being way too optimistic IMO

I know, but I couldn't tell him what I really wanted to say, it is against the MA.

 

[Grizzly Bear]

One of the more steaming piles I took the bait on probably isn't too far off from what you're contending with BS on. When Adam Savage said "I reject your reality and substitute it with my own" he was being sarcastic, truthers on the other hand take that and violate it until nothing is left as you can er... see

 

[fess]

Everybody knew that planes had crashed into the buildings and as a result the very last thought in anyone's mind was of deliberate controlled demolition. Though as you can see from these few sratements they came very close despite that.

You make the suggestion that “they” came close, close to what? And who is they?

And remember that nothing sounds more like an explosion than an explosion. Especially to these trained and experienced experts.

That’s wrong; there are many things that sound like an explosion that aren’t explosions at all. Just who are these trained and experienced experts you talk of, and did they hear any “real” explosions?

 

[bill smith]

Nice jub Bill. You know that you are not supposed to take huge texts and post them without citing your source.

Here is where you got this garbage from.

http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=edward_cachia_1

Now, on to the fun stuff.



In the very next sentence

"It was the building apparently collapsing in on itself, pancaking to the earth."

http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/040802pulitzer5.htm





Here is the part they left out.
"I assume now that that was either windows starting to collapse like tinsel or something. Then the building started to come down."

From here http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110001.PDF
Page 13-14




Here is a good one. It takes a little bit of diggin to figure it out.

Here is what he says later in the interview about this subject.

"I don't know if that means anything. I mean, I equate it to the building coming down and pushing things down, it could have been electrical explosions, it could have been whatever."


From here http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110008.PDF
Page 15




Talking about the collapse iniation.

From here
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110253.PDF





Here is a great one, as it DELIBERATLY leaves out the highlited part.

"As we are looking up at the building, what I saw was, it looked like the building was blowing out on all four sides. We actually heard the pops. Didn't realize it was the falling -- you know, you heard the
pops of the building. You thought it was just blowing out."

From here
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110287.PDF

Page 5




Uses similies and comparisons. He is describing the collapse iniation.

From here.

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110179.PDF



Here is the VERY NEXT PARAGRAPH!!

"Then I guess in some sense of time we looked at it and realized, no, actually it just collapsed. That's what blew out the windows, not that there was an explosion there but that windows blew out."


Holy **** Batman!!

From here.

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110166.PDF

Page 15



Here is what they left out...

"WHICH I LEARNED WAS I GUESS THE AVIATION FUEL FELL INTO THE PIT AND WHATEVER FLOOR IT FELL ON HEATED UP REALLY BAD AND THATS WHY IT POPPED AT THAT FLOOR THATS THE RUMOR HEARD"

From here.
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110488.PDF

I wonder why they always leave this stuff out Bill.....




I know reading for comprehension is lost on some, but the hilited part implies he thought that originally, but no longer believe that.
Oh, and he is talking about the collapse iniation, and uses similie and comparison.
From here
http://www.nytimes.com/packages/html/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110251.PDF

Page 5




Describing the collapse iniation and the collapse itself. Not before.

From here

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110290.PDF
Page 8




Here isa good one. She also describs the rumble of the collapse in the very same paragraph. But she NEVER said "I wondered if it was being brought down deliverately." That was added.

She also described the sound as "an elevated train right above my head." Does this mean she was in fact under an EL? No.


Here it is, in its entirety.

http://books.google.com/books?id=0K... a demolition crew had imploded it. "&f=false




Here is the entire quote.

q: HOW DID YOU KNOW THAT IT WAS COMING DOWN?
a: THAT NOISE IT WAS NOISE
q: WHAT DID YOU HEAR? WHAT DID YOU SEE?
a: IT WAS A FRIGGING NOISE. AT FIRST I THOUGHT IT WAS---DO YOU EVER SEE PROFESSIONALDEMOLITION WHERE THEY SET THE CHARGES ON CERTAIN
FLOORS AND THEN YOU HEAR POP POP POP POP POP? THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT-- BECAUSE THOUGHT IT WAS THAT WHEN HEARD THAT FRIGGING NOISE THAT'S WHEN SAWTHE BUILDING COMING DOWN.

He is describing the collapse.
From here
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110035.PDF

page 9




Here is a doozie. The blatent dishonesty is made VERY clear with this one.

Here is his entire quote.

"It was weird how it started to come down. It looked like it was a timed explosion, but I guess it was just the floors starting to pancake one on top of the other.
Hilite mine.

From here, Page 5
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110064.PDF

HOW THE **** does whomever put this tripe together LEAVE UT THE VERY NEXT SENTENCE!?!?! Because whomever wrote this load of **** is a LIAR.

Now, don't post that **** again Bill.

Well Readers I leave it to you...