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signals from three or four weeks before Pearl Harbor, which show quite clearly that if anybody read those signals they would know that Pearl Harbor was going to be attacked.

I see this all the time, but when I ask for the text of the signals I get the same old tired crap about the "Bomb Plot" and the "14 part message". No indication that the Japanese are doing anything more than keeping an eye on the fleet. It's nice to know that a ship is in Pearl, that means its not headed for the PI.

Use of 20-20 hindsight and cherry-picking should be capital offenses.
 
Then why was there a need for Pearl Harbor

So:

1. We want to get into the war in Europe.
2. So, we provoke the Japanese into attacking us in the Pacific.
3. Then the Germans will absolutely declare war on us. No doubt about it.
4. The attack is allowed to "just happen". No thoughts of "successful defense against a sneak attack", it's easier to let thousands of men die than to alert them and make ready for an attack.
5. Bingo! We have a war in the Pacific AND in the Atlantic, IF Germany declares war on us. If NOT, we have war in the Pacific, no war in the Atlantic, and now we have to spread our resources even thinner.

Any of that nonsense make you happy? Because that's what you just said.
 
Don't get panicky. I was pointing out the absurdity of the position held by the CTers.

Hi Gawdzilla. I hope you are well. There is a narrow issue that was raised that you can answer. "9/11 Investigator" is a holocaust denier who has quoted a David Irving editorial from the holocaust denial forum IHR. David Irving suggests that the British decryption rooms at Bentchley Park supplied Winston Churchill "raw decrypts" in November 1941 that indicated that the Japanese would attack Pearl Harbour. "9/11 Investigator" states that this is evidence that Churchill tricked the USA into joining the war.

Here is the Irving Article

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v09/v09p261_Irving.html

What would be your's and Purdue's general view on this claim concerning intercepts and Pearl Harbour? (I note that "British" Hong Kong was attacked at the same time and made no preparations either, suggesting no decrypts of this nature existed in British hands in November 1941)
 
4. The attack is allowed to "just happen". No thoughts of "successful defense against a sneak attack", it's easier to let thousands of men die than to alert them and make ready for an attack.


Not only that, but it lets hundreds of combat aircraft get destroyed and five capital ships put out of action (though in the end only two of them were permanent losses).
 
Read up on that Zimmermann telegram yet, 9/11-investigator?

Thinking about this silly telegram, why don't you have a look at these 2 maps:

Mexico 1824: http://www.emersonkent.com/images/mexico_1824.jpg
Hispanic population US 2006: http://theopticalvisionsite.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/picture-32.png

In contrast with a few lines of telegram text, these 2 maps represent(ed) reality.

If you accept the premise that demography is destiny than it is not difficult to predict that the map of the US in a not too distant future will have a certain Zimmermann-esque quality about it. Everybody who has seen pictures of these huge demonstrations of hundreds of thousands of Hispanics (I forgot the reason of these demo's... amnesty?) knows that this is a vulcano waiting to erupt. This eruption could happen for instance:
1) after the Paulestinians recapture America after the truth about 9/11 becomes clear for everybody to see, resulting in a rapid decline of centralistic power and subsequent 'devolution'.
2) everybody with a brain knows that the Jews are pushing for WW3 around the Danzig issue of our days: Iran. China and Russia likely will not allow Israel/US/UK to do what they please and hit back (control of vital Gulf oil resources cannot be left to the US). Japan and EU will try to stay neutral. This could lead to conscription in the US and the possibility that the Hispanics and others will refuse to do the fighting for the Jews and will rise up against Washington.

In both cases the Mexicans are fully justified in reclaiming their old lands and they certainly will. And you know what? Just like Obama's Jewish 'advisors' made him say that Turkey should be a member of the EU the other day, we in Europe support the idea that Arizona, Texas, California and a large number of other US states should return to it's rightfull owner. And that Alaska should return to those who colonized it first and who Sarah can see when she looks out of the window. And that Israel should be moved to Upstate New York. Everybody happy. Except for the Jews, who then have to worm their way into China to have another go at global supremacy. Won't be easy with their Ukrainian/Aryan eyes. :D

What are you going to do about it?
 
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"9/11 Investigator" states that this is evidence that Churchill tricked the USA into joining the war.

I never suggested that. I am only open for the idea that Churchill knew in advance that Pearl Harbor would happen, nothing more.

Yes it is true that the British were pushing for US war entry. But obviously the British had no influence on the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor. Unlike the US government.
 
As to Dresden specifically, had it not been for the freak occurrence of a firestorm, casualties would have been nowhere as high as they ended up being.

It was my impression that firestorms were created intentionally.

Several cities were subjected to this kind of heavy bombardment. The allies, assuming they didn't do that on purpose, certainly knew of the possibility. Not that I'm giving 9/11 any points, here.
 
I might be a beer-swilling semiliterate* but I understand the significance of the Zimmermann Telegram. Dave Rogers made a perfectly lovely post about it up above; I really couldn't add anything more to what he said. Have you any reply to it?

* - Then again, I might not. That line COULD be a joke.
 
Again my agenda. I am busy constructing propaganda.

We know. It's not like you were constructing a convincing case.

Pearl Harbor was engineered. Just like 9/11 (by the Neoconservatives avant la lettre described as The New Pearl Harbor).

The first a provocation, the second a false flag. Both events as desired by the (Zionised) American elite. The German war declaration was factored in.

And you still have no evidence for this.
 
Now, let's see what the significance of the Zimmerman telegram is to your theory that the sinking of the Lusitania was engineered by Jewish interests to bring America into the war. We know, first of all, that nearly two years elapsed between the sinking of the Lusitania and the entry of America into the war (at least, the rest of us know that; I suspect you imagine it was only a couple of weeks), so it seems a little unlikely that there was a direct causal relationship. We know that the German government discontinued its Atlantic U-boat campaign later in 1915, and that tension between America and Germany decreased markedly as a result. We know that the Zimmerman telegram re-inflamed these tensions, as it contained an outright declaration that Germany was resuming unrestricted submarine warfare; there had been sinkings of American ships, one in a surprise attack, in the early months of 1917, and the official stamp conferred by the Zimmerman telegram removed any hope that Germany could pretend that these were accidents or aberrations. And, finally, the Zimmerman telegram made it clear that Germany had hostile intentions towards the United States homeland, and was prepared to assist a third party in actual invasion of US territory.

The final act was Zimmerman's public admission that the document was genuine. Once its authenticity was beyond doubt, American public opinion was solidly in favour of war.

Say what you like about morals - although, in fact, the morality of America's entry into WW1 was perfectly defensible by the standards of the time - but there is no coherent argument for any other cause of the declaration of war than deaths of American citizens at sea from illegal German attacks and Germany's declared intention of supporting a war of aggression against the USA.

Dave

Here's Dave's post again, in case you missed it.
 
Hi Gawdzilla. I hope you are well. There is a narrow issue that was raised that you can answer. "9/11 Investigator" is a holocaust denier who has quoted a David Irving editorial from the holocaust denial forum IHR. David Irving suggests that the British decryption rooms at Bentchley Park supplied Winston Churchill "raw decrypts" in November 1941 that indicated that the Japanese would attack Pearl Harbour. "9/11 Investigator" states that this is evidence that Churchill tricked the USA into joining the war.

Here is the Irving Article

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v09/v09p261_Irving.html

What would be your's and Purdue's general view on this claim concerning intercepts and Pearl Harbour? (I note that "British" Hong Kong was attacked at the same time and made no preparations either, suggesting no decrypts of this nature existed in British hands in November 1941)

Budiansky destroyed this theory years ago. When/if things settle down around here (I got married this weekend), I'll see if I can find his works on the topic. The Nave/Rusbridger book harps on this, I think. (One of those tabliodish books anyway.)
 
So:

1. We want to get into the war in Europe.
2. So, we provoke the Japanese into attacking us in the Pacific.
3. Then the Germans will absolutely declare war on us. No doubt about it.
4. The attack is allowed to "just happen". No thoughts of "successful defense against a sneak attack", it's easier to let thousands of men die than to alert them and make ready for an attack.
5. Bingo! We have a war in the Pacific AND in the Atlantic, IF Germany declares war on us. If NOT, we have war in the Pacific, no war in the Atlantic, and now we have to spread our resources even thinner.

Any of that nonsense make you happy? Because that's what you just said.

Excellent summary!

The US until 1941 was a provincial backwater but ready to flex it's muscle and play a new greater role on the world stage. Of course the Americans at the time of Pearl Harbor had the option of waiting to see the outcome of the German-Soviet struggle and join the party at a convenient time.

And that's what they did.

The Americans catapulted themselves into world power for pennies on the dollar after the two real giants Germany and Russia had weakened resp. destroyed each other in a horrific fight (for every fallen American 50 Russians died). No wonder that the Jews are popular in America. Their Grand Strategy implemented by Roosevelt worked wonderful and the Americans were global top dog for 65 years (they will fall back to Ukrainian levels of 'wealth' in this decade) after they redesigned the financial system to their advantage with its main feature the dollar as world currency, meaning that the Americans could print as many dollars as they liked, it would be sucked up by the rest of the world anyway. A free lunch so to speak. Obviously this all happened at the expense of Europe who was kindly destroyed by these two noble allies America and the USSR, all triggered by the actions of the British leadership who insisted to let a half-foreigner at the helm of state and go into the auto-destruct mode (and taking the rest of Europe with it). For a brief moment I was tempted to name my future blog:

hitabrit.blogspot.com

...but this could be seen as 'incitement of racial hatred' so I probably will give it another, more neutral name.

Nevertheless it should be clear who will be the main target of my blog in the spirit of the book of Buchanan: Britain, the quintessential anti-European traitor.

We in Europe cannot do anything until the US will auto-destruct (balkanize/devolute). The risky moment will come when we in Europe will change sides towards Russia and leave the Atlantic Alliance. Timing will be everything. The risk of course is that the Jews will send their American serfs to Europe rather than a (for us) more convenient target like Iran or even better China.

That's why we have to wait.

In the mean time we should keep ourselves busy with assembling intellectual ammo (9/11, H-word, Jewish communism revisionism). The internet will be the tool to bring the revolution about. The goal is to bring down the NWO and replace it with an identitarian, Huntingtonian, mildly racialist, 19th-centurish world view. Multiculturalism yes, but one culture on one territory.
 
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Not only that, but it lets hundreds of combat aircraft get destroyed and five capital ships put out of action (though in the end only two of them were permanent losses).

That is the fun part. It seems conspiracy whack-jobs think our battle fleet or the two tallest buildings in New York can be sacrificed with impunity to further some nebulous agenda. Seems to me that the people who would casually write off a few thousand people would be the same ones who would get all arm-wavy at the idea that all that capital would be tossed in the bin.
 
That is the fun part. It seems conspiracy whack-jobs think our battle fleet or the two tallest buildings in New York can be sacrificed with impunity to further some nebulous agenda. Seems to me that the people who would casually write off a few thousand people would be the same ones who would get all arm-wavy at the idea that all that capital would be tossed in the bin.

What's a few ships if you can win the world?

The NY towers were asbest ridden and had to be demolished anyway. Why not let foreign insurers pay for it? That's what happened.
 
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