Who started both World Wars?

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I honestly thought this guy had a enough respect for history, to actually have some knowledge of it.

I was clearly wrong.
 
Dave Rogers said:
Let's assume, for the sake of argument, that your quote is both accurate and authoritative, and that there was a Jewish lobby that sought to bring America into the war on the Allied side. All this means is that some British Jews acted in their country's national interest, and that some American Jews were politically active in determining the policies of their nation; neither of these is in any way illegal, immoral or even unusual. Yet your argument is that this made all German Jews into traitors, despite the total absence of evidence that they were involved in, or even aware of, any such actions. And this is your justification for the murder of millions of German, Polish, French, Greek, Italian, Russian Jews - that a group of British Jews acted in such a way as to align their personal interests with their national interest.
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Just serves to show how little conspiracy theorists know about politics, sociology, psychology, history, science and reality in general.
 
9/11-investigator said:
In your freak lefty progressive world women are deprived of chances of motherhood. In western countries the average child per woman ration is aproaching 1.0.

Dudalbs idea of a 'liberated' women: a 45 year old maiden with 10 'relationships' behind her, without a family, hacking away on a computer.
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If that's her choice, who are you to criticize her ?

Don't for a moment assume that the average 'suppressed' muslim women are unhappier than their 'liberated' feminist white counterparts.
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They're certainly less free, however.

Your opinion on patriarchal oppression is not surprising, but nonetheless despicable. I'm so proud of you ! :rolleyes:
 
I see that Our Little Old Investigator is fully keeping in the Good Old Nazi Doctrine of
"Kinden,Kirche und Kuchen" as being the proper role for Women. (I apoligize to German speakers, I probably butchured the spelling of that).
The English equivilent is "Keep Them Barefoot and Pregnant".
 
I can assure you that not only is a Muslim woman considered less than a man in both a legal and cultural sense some are actually happy to be so. However many are very unhappy to be in this situation. Of course since a male of her family can kill her with legal obstruction - rebellion is not one of the choices.....as for many they consider their lot in life 'God' ordained and unchangeable...inshallah
 
9/11-investigator said:
In your freak lefty progressive world women are deprived of chances of motherhood. In western countries the average child per woman ration is aproaching 1.0.

Dudalbs idea of a 'liberated' women: a 45 year old maiden with 10 'relationships' behind her, without a family, hacking away on a computer.

Don't for a moment assume that the average 'suppressed' muslim women are unhappier than their 'liberated' feminist white counterparts.

But your game is over anyway.
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I think you'll find Griffin & the BNP are pretty much finished over here in the UK. They performed dreadfully (I mean really, really badly) in the May elections, the party is effectively bankrupt & Griffin is desperately trying to fend off a serious leadership challenge (hence the hysterical depiction of impending doom). You might want to look further afield for a 'messiah'.
 
9/11-investigator said:
I never heard of it before.
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9/11-investigator said:
Schwieger was the U-boat commander I presume?
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I've heard of the argument from ignorance and the appeal to authority, but it seems to me that 9/11-investigator's whole approach is the appeal to ignorance; he knows nothing whatsoever about the circumstances surrounding America's entry into WW1, therefore he must be right. I'd have to take bill smith off ignore to see a comparable example of a poster, not just demonstrating, but positively flaunting, his ignorance.

Dave
 
9/11-investigator said:
Schwieger was the U-boat commander I presume?

Have any links to back this up?
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It's you're theory. YOU do the basic research yourself since you seem to be strutting around acting like you know what you are talking about.

Since it would appear you don't even know the basic facts involving the case don't you think you should? I've noted historical error after error by yourself. Hate isn't interested in facts just hate.
 
Dave Rogers said:
I've heard of the argument from ignorance and the appeal to authority, but it seems to me that 9/11-investigator's whole approach is the appeal to ignorance; he knows nothing whatsoever about the circumstances surrounding America's entry into WW1, therefore he must be right. I'd have to take bill smith off ignore to see a comparable example of a poster, not just demonstrating, but positively flaunting, his ignorance.

Dave
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I am not even an amateur historian, just an informed layman (just like you guys), who every now and then reads a book on the subject, like the Buchanan book. This thread is not just a 'I-am-going-to-show-you-what-happened' exercise but a learning experience (OK, with the aim of bringing your demise nearer).

So... after all the usual self-congratulations we are still patiently waiting for either Dave or dudalb to make a case around this Zimmermann telegram and how it supports their Anglo-good-guys case.

Nothing so far. They probably never will make a case. From 10 km altitude they throw their 'we-have-got-the-Zimmermann-telegram' bomb and then they make a U-turn trying to escape the search light and subsequent flak.

Poor Dave & dudalb, where are the Soviets when you need them? Now they have brought Russia and China and Iran and Turkey and the rest of the entire muslim world against them. That's a lot for an aging population of Anglosphere on their way out of world history.

Fortunately they have Israel firmly behind them giving advise on what to do.
 
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9/11-investigator said:
So... after all the usual self-congratulations we are still patiently waiting for either Dave or dudalb to make a case around this Zimmermann telegram and how it supports their Anglo-good-guys case.

Nothing so far. They probably never will make a case. From 10 km altitude they throw their 'we-have-got-the-Zimmermann-telegram' bomb and then they make a U-turn trying to escape the search light and subsequent flak.
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So you don't see the importance of Germany telling Mexico they will supply them with money, arms, and ammunition if they declare war on the US? :dig:
 
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I am not even an amateur historian, just an informed layman
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Nope just a poorly educated (by choice) hate filled man who looks everywhere for evidence to support his hate. You are unable to do even basic research - why? Is it because it would rip holes in your cherished beliefs?

Your boneheaded Lusie theory is debunked and buried.

I'll leave the Zimmerman to the capable hands of others.
 
9/11-investigator said:
I am not even an amateur historian, just an informed layman (just like you guys), who every now and then reads a book on the subject, like the Buchanan book.
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You're mistaken if you think you're an informed layman. From what you've said, you're supremely ignorant of the basic information in the field, so much so that you're not even competent to assess the reliability of any sources you draw upon. Not only that, but you can't even follow your own arguments. You've already admitted that the moral justification of America's entry into WW1 was irrelevant to your argument, and you've already been informed as clearly as possible that you're mistaken in the belief that there is a groupthink dogma in operation that Germany was solely and entirely to blame for all the events of WW1; and yet, here you are contradicting yourself again by demanding that we use the Zimmerman telegram to support your strawman argument that the Allies were entirely blameless for WW1. And then, when you start to perceive that you may have lost the plot, you blame the Jews.

Now, let's see what the significance of the Zimmerman telegram is to your theory that the sinking of the Lusitania was engineered by Jewish interests to bring America into the war. We know, first of all, that nearly two years elapsed between the sinking of the Lusitania and the entry of America into the war (at least, the rest of us know that; I suspect you imagine it was only a couple of weeks), so it seems a little unlikely that there was a direct causal relationship. We know that the German government discontinued its Atlantic U-boat campaign later in 1915, and that tension between America and Germany decreased markedly as a result. We know that the Zimmerman telegram re-inflamed these tensions, as it contained an outright declaration that Germany was resuming unrestricted submarine warfare; there had been sinkings of American ships, one in a surprise attack, in the early months of 1917, and the official stamp conferred by the Zimmerman telegram removed any hope that Germany could pretend that these were accidents or aberrations. And, finally, the Zimmerman telegram made it clear that Germany had hostile intentions towards the United States homeland, and was prepared to assist a third party in actual invasion of US territory.

The final act was Zimmerman's public admission that the document was genuine. Once its authenticity was beyond doubt, American public opinion was solidly in favour of war.

Say what you like about morals - although, in fact, the morality of America's entry into WW1 was perfectly defensible by the standards of the time - but there is no coherent argument for any other cause of the declaration of war than deaths of American citizens at sea from illegal German attacks and Germany's declared intention of supporting a war of aggression against the USA.

Dave
 
9/11-investigator said:
I am not even an amateur historian, just an informed layman (just like you guys), who every now and then reads a book on the subject, like the Buchanan book. This thread is not just a 'I-am-going-to-show-you-what-happened' exercise but a learning experience (OK, with the aim of bringing your demise nearer).
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Speak for yourself as well. I'm currently doing a University History degree on the 20th Century. You might learn something if you read a few books on the subject, such as the Penguin History of the 20th Century. It's an interesting starting book on the subject.

Dave Rogers gives a solid description of the importance of the Zimmerman Telegram too. Nothing I can add. I can give you a suggested reading list on 20th Century History if you actually desire to learn.
 
Dave Rogers said:
The final act was Zimmerman's public admission that the document was genuine. Once its authenticity was beyond doubt, American public opinion was solidly in favour of war.

Say what you like about morals - although, in fact, the morality of America's entry into WW1 was perfectly defensible by the standards of the time - but there is no coherent argument for any other cause of the declaration of war than deaths of American citizens at sea from illegal German attacks and Germany's declared intention of supporting a war of aggression against the USA.

Dave
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It also has to be remembered that the "Black Tom" explosion in New York Harbour seems to validate the contents of the Zimmerman letter

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Tom_explosion

Then there was this

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annie_Larsen_affair
 
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gtm said:
I think you'll find Griffin & the BNP are pretty much finished over here in the UK. They performed dreadfully (I mean really, really badly) in the May elections, the party is effectively bankrupt & Griffin is desperately trying to fend off a serious leadership challenge (hence the hysterical depiction of impending doom). You might want to look further afield for a 'messiah'.
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Here is the scumbag Griffin
 
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