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Merged Are Holder and Obama racists? / DOJ dismisses Black Panther case

mortimer said:
100,000,000,000 to 1 there's no explanation from the administration.
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Actually, apparently there already has been an explanation, but nobody cared much about this at the time because media attention was not focused on this case.

During a May 14, 2010 hearing before the Commission, the head of the Civil Rights Division, Assistant Attorney General Tom Perez said, “The Department concluded that the allegations in the complaint against Jerry Jackson, the other defendant present at the polling place, as well as the allegations against the national New Black Panther Party and its leader, Malik Zulu Shabazz, did not have sufficient evidentiary support. The Department reviewed the totality of the evidence in the applicable law in reaching these decisions.”
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So that's the official explanation offered so far.
 
Puppycow said:
Actually, apparently there already has been an explanation, but nobody cared much about this at the time because media attention was not focused on this case.



So that's the official explanation offered so far.
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Agreed. They beat my odds.

Obviously the video evidence was insufficient to prove what the video evidence proved. I wonder if it was faked.
 
Upchurch said:
I question his honesty.
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Of course you question his honesty. Nothing wrong with that. And we need to know if he's lying. If he is he needs to be drummed out of the republican party, politics and the law. But if he's not ...

Upchurch said:
Well, what can I say? You've always been short-sighted.
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Ah, so now your approach to avoiding seeking a clear resolution to this charge is to make personal attacks on me. I see.
 
Upchurch said:
If there is, 10-to-1 says BAC doesn't believe it, in proper Birther style.
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I've posted nothing to suggest I'm a Birther. Yet another dishonest tactic to avoid addressing the real issue raised by Adam's testimony. This is saying as much about you, Upchurch, as it potential says about Holder. Why are you apparently so afraid of find out the truth in this matter? Let's just put everyone involved under oath and get them on the record, and clear this up.
 
BeAChooser said:
Of course you question his honesty. Nothing wrong with that. And we need to know if he's lying. If he is he needs to be drummed out of the republican party, politics and the law. But if he's not ...



Ah, so now your approach to avoiding seeking a clear resolution to this charge is to make personal attacks on me. I see.
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Since when does being proved a liar get anyone drummed out of the Republican Party?
 
BeAChooser said:
Of course you question his honesty. Nothing wrong with that. And we need to know if he's lying. If he is he needs to be drummed out of the republican party, politics and the law. But if he's not ...
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If he is lying, it would be impossible to prove it, unless he changes his story later. It's just one of those he-said-she-said situations. We can never know what was said unless there was a recording device present or they actually admit it.

So the people who want to believe Adams will believe him, and those those who don't won't. The only people who will ever really know are those who were there in the room.

As it stands now, it's an accusation without any direct substantiating evidence.
 
Puppycow said:
So that's the official explanation offered so far.
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The problem with that explanation is that it's not the DOJ's job to do that. They already had brought the case before the court and the Black Panthers chose to not even show up. The judge had already ruled on the case as a result.

It was only when there was a change in DOJ management, when Holder came on board, when suddenly the DOJ lost all interest in the case and began looking for ways to effectively dismiss it. That fact fits with the explanation given by Adams.

His charge is so serious that this needs to be resolved one way or the other. Not just ignored. Afterall, on election day a video clearly shows that armed men, members of the New Black Panthers, were intimidating voters. The law against voter intimidation came out of the civil rights era. It would be sad if now democrats and blacks are going to ignore that law when whites are intimidated, just because doing so might benefit them. In the end that will only backfire.

If upper DOJ management did indeed issue an order for it's staff to ignore voting rights complaints by whites, this is outright racism and it can not be tolerated. Not if you want any of us to respect that law, democrats, blacks or the DOJ. Surely democrats would agree since racism has been one of their top concerns for decades. Surely those concerns were at heart color blind.

If Adam's accusation is proven true, all those involved in such an order should be immediately terminated from the DOJ and the government in general, and democrats should sever all connections with them. They've certainly demanded that of any conservatives who've been shown to harbor the least bit of racism. Surely democrats would agree with that, given that one of the first things Holder did when he took office was scold the American people for being cowards about discussing matters of race. Are you folks now afraid to discuss it?

Furthermore, are you people aware that Adams has charged that Assistant Attorney General Thomas Perez lied under oath to Congress about the circumstances surrounding the decision to drop the probe. This is very serious. For a cloud like this to be hanging over Perez and Holder, without a clear resolution can only further damage the DOJ. And this is not going away until it is resolved.

Here, listen to what Bartle Bull, a longtime civil rights activist and an aide to Senator Robert Kennedy in the 68 election had to say about what happened and what this means. He was serving in November 2008 as a credentialed poll watcher in Philadelphia when he witnessed the three armed and uniformed Black Panthers confront would be voters. He also made a sworn statement about what he saw and the DOJ did not consider or contact him about it. That is how biased the Holder DOJ has become.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sDoYYQdGOA&feature=player_embedded

How far the democrat party has fallen from what it was back in 1968. It's sad. And Obama and all of you Obama supporters are now on trial over this, whether you realize it or not.
 
I call hyperbole on Adam's statement.

More then likely the statement, "senior officials within the Obama Justice Department had told employees that they were not to bring voting-rights cases where the alleged victim in the case was white" translates to "senior officials within the Obama Justice Department dismissed controversial voting-rights case where the alleged victim in the case was white and i'm not happy about it".
 
How insane do you have to be to believe a "senior official" told this Teafreak that it was forbidden to charge black people who victimized white people? Really? Knowing that this guy is a Teatard, a senior official told him and only him about the conspiracy? And people buy this? It's beyond silly, and it's amazing that anyone would be such a partisan hack as to actually believe this.

But hey, Teabaggers aren't known for their intelligence or willingness to think critically, hence they're birthers, goldbugs, etc.

So, explain to me again why anyone should spend time doing anything other than mocking this stupidity?
 
Unabogie said:
How insane do you have to be to believe a "senior official" told this Teafreak that it was forbidden to charge black people who victimized white people? Really? Knowing that this guy is a Teatard, a senior official told him and only him about the conspiracy? And people buy this? It's beyond silly, and it's amazing that anyone would be such a partisan hack as to actually believe this.

But hey, Teabaggers aren't known for their intelligence or willingness to think critically, hence they're birthers, goldbugs, etc.

So, explain to me again why anyone should spend time doing anything other than mocking this stupidity?
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I don't know if you realise this, but you are sounding a lot like lefty seargent here. Insults thrown around with carefree abandon does not a convincing argument make. FWIW.
 
lionking said:
I don't know if you realise this, but you are sounding a lot like lefty seargent here. Insults thrown around with carefree abandon does not a convincing argument make. FWIW.
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You know, you're right, but I don't really care. There's no argument to make when these people throw around absurd and racist charges like this. Perhaps taking the high road would make me look better, but you can't be contending it would in any way change the way these people are acting.
 
Unabogie said:
How insane do you have to be to believe a "senior official" told this Teafreak that it was forbidden to charge black people who victimized white people? Really? Knowing that this guy is a Teatard, a senior official told him and only him about the conspiracy? And people buy this? It's beyond silly, and it's amazing that anyone would be such a partisan hack as to actually believe this.

But hey, Teabaggers aren't known for their intelligence or willingness to think critically, hence they're birthers, goldbugs, etc.

So, explain to me again why anyone should spend time doing anything other than mocking this stupidity?
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Because mocking and calling names doesn't really help.

Better to be "the adults in the room" and simply point out all the known facts, Mr. Adams' political connections and the lack of substantiating evidence.

Here is a NY Times article about this

The case became a cause célèbre in the conservative media world, and the Civil Rights Commission opened an investigation. The eight-member panel, which has the power to issue subpoenas and issue reports, is controlled by a six-member conservative bloc appointed during the Bush administration.

In testimony before the panel in May, Tom Perez, who became the assistant attorney general for the civil rights division in October 2009, said that “reasonable minds can differ” about the case, but that the acting supervisors had concluded that the case had been over-charged.

Mr. Perez said there was insufficient evidence that the party was responsible for the incident. He also noted that the voter intimidation provision is rarely used, and pointed to similar incidents during the Bush years in which minorities were the alleged victims but the division did not file such a lawsuit.
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I see that the idea that the defendants might actually be innocent is not up for debate. Better to just assume them and the Obama admin are guilty, I guess.
 
BeAChooser said:
http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-bl...-dismissal-is-sleeper-issue-for-2010-midterms



UNBELIEVEABLE.

Holder is not only throwing out the rule of law, but this sounds like racism is rampant in Obama's DOJ.

Is this really the kind of change you Obama supporters wanted?

I'm serious.

Do any of you have the guts to honestly and forthrightly address the issue the above news raises?
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So what was the basis of the dropping of charges or dismissal?

ETA: It would appear that the person who was threatening voters King Samir Shabazz was the one who did not have charges dropped against him. What evidence is there that Jerry Jackson was intemidating voters?
 
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BeAChooser said:
His charge is so serious that this needs to be resolved one way or the other. Not just ignored. Afterall, on election day a video clearly shows that armed men, members of the New Black Panthers, were intimidating voters.
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And that is armed amn? Is his name not King Samir Shabazz?
Was he not charged with carrying a weapon near a polling place?

What evidence is there (and there may be) Jerry Jackson was intimidating voters?

Who were charges dropped against?
 
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