Continuation - NSA Document Flight 93 intercepted coming soon

Bump. Progress? Or are we now assuming that this is never gonna happen?
 
Worm said:
Bump. Progress? Or are we now assuming that this is never gonna happen?
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Meh, I have neither received nor heard anything since April?

I have sent a written request seeking a written response.

I'll let you know if I hear back.
 
The NSA reports that the FOIAs are "in suspense waiting for an outside response."

They expect a response "soon." At which point it will be dumped on the bottom of another pile.

I think it will be peachy if I see a response by the 2nd Year Anniversary in November.
 
Is there no statutory timescale for FOI requests in the US?

In the UK you get 20 working days - 40 days for some exceptional cases. A pain in the butt I know (from experience), but it makes sure that public bodies actually respond.
 
Worm said:
Is there no statutory timescale for FOI requests in the US?
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There's a timescale, but agencies are allowed to miss their deadlines for all kinds of reasons: if your request is unusually complex, say, or they just happen to have a heavier than usual workload right now.

Even if you disagree with their excuses, there's no immediate relief. You could appeal, but if you do that as an individual then it could take months or even years to get a response. So most people just wait.

The alternative, if you have some money, is to jump in immediately & file a lawsuit re: their failure to respond. That can work spectacularly well, if the agency is just being lax - you'll often get a department lawyer contacting you at speed to sort out whatever you need.

And that may be why the process is so slow for everyone else, I guess. The FOIA department are forever working on responding to lawsuits & requesters who don't make any noise are pushed to the back of the queue.
 
Worm said:
Is there no statutory timescale for FOI requests in the US?
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MikeW said:
There's a timescale, but agencies are allowed to miss their deadlines for all kinds of reasons: if your request is unusually complex, say, or they just happen to have a heavier than usual workload right now.

Even if you disagree with their excuses, there's no immediate relief. You could appeal, but if you do that as an individual then it could take months or even years to get a response. So most people just wait.
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Having seen this process first hand I can tell you this stuff has very low priority. It's viewed as an irritant by most agencies.

There are actually two avenues to pursue for relief. MikeW mentioned the Legal avenue, there is also the Congressional Inquiry approach. The Congressional inquiry is infinitely more effective as agencies hate them with a passion. Top level Commanders and Managers detest them and lower level folks get in a heap of trouble if they provoke one no matter the reason.

However, in this case I seriously doubt you could find a Congresscritter interested enough to even write a letter. They likely would consider it a waste of time and your request would go to the bottom of their paper stack.
 
Reheat said:
Having seen this process first hand I can tell you this stuff has very low priority. It's viewed as an irritant by most agencies.

There are actually two avenues to pursue for relief. MikeW mentioned the Legal avenue, there is also the Congressional Inquiry approach. The Congressional inquiry is infinitely more effective as agencies hate them with a passion. Top level Commanders and Managers detest them and lower level folks get in a heap of trouble if they provoke one no matter the reason.

However, in this case I seriously doubt you could find a Congresscritter interested enough to even write a letter. They likely would consider it a waste of time and your request would go to the bottom of their paper stack.
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Congressional inquiry? My wife is tight with our Congressbeing, and being from Chicago, I have worked for a number of politically connected firms (and have paid lots of dough for rubber chicken dinners over the years) and probably have 40 cards from Congressional staffers in a huge unused pile somewhere around here. There ain't no way in hell I would waste one minute of their time or more of my time chasing down a follow up FOIA to Paul Barth's original FOIA.
 
Just a thought. Perhaps you can write once more to NSA with an obvious copy to your Congressional delegation at the bottom of the letter (I guess you might have done this already, if so, doh). The powers that be might figure that it won't be worth the trouble to take a chance of your Congressional delegation getting at all interested in why the FOIA is taking so long.
 
HI!

Two years since the original request and nearly two years since mine have resulted in exactly:

NOTHING.

I have asked for a status, but it seems to me this is a complete waste of time.
 
16.5 said:
HI!

Two years since the original request and nearly two years since mine have resulted in exactly:

NOTHING.

I have asked for a status, but it seems to me this is a complete waste of time.
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This clearly proofs the government is hiding something from the general public.
 
Reheat said:
Having seen this process first hand I can tell you this stuff has very low priority. It's viewed as an irritant by most agencies.
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The other day I heard someone that has been filing FOIA requests for maybe 10 years, thousands of them, speak. He says that under the new administration, the process is faster and more forthcoming.

He says that if a previous request was denied or the results less than satisfactory, you should resubmit it. Now, if they deny your request they have to tell you why.

There are hundreds of FOIA officers in Washington and not all of them have the news of the new policy. Even now, if you think your declined request was legit, file again.
 
Actual Honest to God News

I have actual NEWS!

I just hung up with a very charming woman from the NSA FOIA office.

She reports that they have YESTERDAY signed the cover letter that accompanies the results from the FOIA.

By way of background, I issued a follow up FOIA request to Ultima's FOIA request. I did so in the unlikely (ahem) event he was banned from this site.

NSA advises that the cover letter and "four" documents, which total more than four pages, or so I am told, will be placed in the mail today, and will be on their way to me.

Wow! Now, two questions:

1. what is the best method for posting them on the interwebs?

2. what the hell are we supposed to be looking for again? It has been so long, I plum forgot.
 
16.5 said:
1. what is the best method for posting them on the interwebs?
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Not that I'm claiming to be the "best" way, but I'll happily host them for you on 911myths, if it helps.

As Bell says, scan the documents, also the FOIA cover letter (just to verify how you got them), save them to a PDF file & they're ready to go.
 
Ultima1 said:
NSA Document Flight 93 intercepted coming soon
Here is a letter from the NSA FOIA office that they have the NSA "Critic" that i asked for that states that Flight 93 was intercepted.

This contridicts the official story that no planes were near Flight 93.
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this dude made over 3 thousand posts in 8 months...that's got to be some sort of a record.
 
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