Survival

Taffer said:
Ok, fair enough, my apologies. However, my statement stands for many of the 'alternative medicine' ideas you put forward. Lets assume I meant "fasting" instead, shall we?
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Yes. Recently I got warning for derailing even though...
 
Kumar, this another of these 'what about if...' posts :mad:

Kumar said:
I think if a person practicing it get cured in between, it may be then discountinued..
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You think? Evidence?

Kumar said:
It may be for creating extreme impression of death. I can't say how body can behave after getting such impression but somewhat stem cell activation/mobilization can be thought, if not stimulation of physiological activities by decreasing quantitities of biochemicals in body.
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Less fuel equals less activity. Fasting can only hasten death, not slow it.

How many times are you going to have to be told 'fasting is in no way beneficial' before you accept it?
 
Naddig74 said:
You think? Evidence?



Less fuel equals less activity. Fasting can only hasten death, not slow it.

How many times are you going to have to be told 'fasting is in no way beneficial' before you accept it?
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Does lesser availabilty of fuel not initiate a being to do more activites to find & get it? It looks logical that one will do extra efforts if food availability is defficient. A lion will go on search of food & work hard to get it, whereas remain calm when he is not defficient of food.

On physiological side, we have atonomic nervous system(SNS & PNS)--SNS activation suggest fight or flight ( to do activities when some danger/stress is there). In this case defficiency of food can be considered as a stress/danger so it can stimulate SNS to fight for food. In case of PNS activation, rest & digest, repair & maintainance is stimulated, which indicate inactivities. In morning cortisol(a stress hormone) level is higher--probably meant to initiate us to do activites in search of food.
 
MRC_Hans said:
Notice the word 'wants'. Due to certain reward mechanisms built into us, this does not necessarily equal 'needs'.

Hans
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Good point. Two aspects are there. One is need other greed. We may want anything for both but it is enjoyble for need but can be stressful for greed.:)
 
Kumar said:
Does lesser availabilty of fuel not initiate a being to do more activites to find & get it?
It looks logical that one will do extra efforts if food availability is defficient. A lion will go on search of food & work hard to get it, whereas remain calm when he is not defficient of food.
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Which waste energy therefore falsifying your claim.
On physiological side, we have atonomic nervous system(SNS & PNS)--SNS activation suggest fight or flight ( to do activities when some danger/stress is there). In this case defficiency of food can be considered as a stress/danger so it can stimulate SNS to fight for food.
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Which waste energy therefore falsifying your claim.
In case of PNS activation, rest & digest, repair & maintainance is stimulated, which indicate inactivities. In morning cortisol(a stress hormone) level is higher--probably meant to initiate us to do activites in search of food.
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Which waste energy therefore falsifying your claim.

So many wrongs and no rights.
 
Conclusion

Hello all,

We had mostly good discussions in this thread & got ideas about Pathogenic & cancer cell 's Survial vs. host survival. Pathgens may not like to kill host for their survival benefit as they need to survive for long but still defficiency of nutrients may kill the host. Some variations in this aspect are indicated. Cancer cells, because defective(mad in my sense) & as don't need survial for long, their uncontrolled multiplication can become a reason of the death of host. Fasting/defficient food issue is bit unclear because better food or better distribution of food(if possible from fasting) can also be a cause to getting better food to bacterias & cancer cells, which can either be benefitial in short term(they remain calm) to host but harmful in long run(their multiplications). Is it all that which I learned here? Still one can have more idea by checking following quote/link about pathogens:-

Evolution
According to evolutionary medicine, optimal virulence increases with horizontal transmission (between non-relatives) and decreases with vertical transmission (from parent to child). This is because the fitness of the host is bound to the fitness in vertical transmission but is not so bound in horizontal transmission.

The pathogen population can evolve once it is in the host. There are three main hypotheses about why a pathogen evolves as it does. These three models help to explain the life history strategies of viruses, bacteria, and other pathogens, including reproduction, migration within the host, virulence, etc. The three hypotheses are the Trade-Off Hypothesis, the Short-Sighted Evolution Hypothesis, and the Coincidental Evolution Hypothesis. All of these offer ultimate explanations for virulence in pathogens.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virulence
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Thanks for the contributions. We can now move on to next topic. I may like to understand more about Cancer, possibilty of getting some treatment by non-killing(by us) method. improving DNA repair, avoiding odds, Improving immunity, manipulating cellular adhesions--adhesion molecules, nutrients maniplulations etc.can be relevant.

With best wishes.
 
paximperium said:
Which waste energy therefore falsifying your claim.
Which waste energy therefore falsifying your claim.
Which waste energy therefore falsifying your claim.

So many wrongs and no rights.
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Sorry, what you are saying or what you want to understand, is not clear to me. Pls rephrase for me.
 
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