Uncle Hugo seizes property again

[NoScotsman]

Usually looters don't give the lootet stuff to the Nation / the people.

if he stole things for him personally it could be considered looting, but as they are indeed Nationalizations, it is normal for newspapers call it Nationalization.

Al Capone gave his loot to the people, too. The problem is, both he and Chavez gave away mere pennies for every dollar they looted.

It was easy to earn goodwill in the midst of America's Great Depression or during Venezuela's current economic downturn. Hungry people don't ask for much.

 

[DC]

Al Capone gave his loot to the people, too. The problem is, both he and Chavez give away mere pennies for every dollar they loot. It's easy to earn goodwill in the midst of America's Great Depression or during Venezuela's current economic downturn --and particularly in Chavez' case ... by using other people's money.

LOL Al Capone gave his mafia money to the USA / the People in the USA?
the guy didn't even pay his taxes.......

Chavez is the guy that actually changed the country so much that now not only a tiny minority profits from the oil wealth, no now those in the Barrios have healthcare education food etc....

 

[NoScotsman]

LOL Al Capone gave his mafia money to the USA / the People in the USA?
the guy didn't even pay his taxes.......

Chavez is the guy that actually changed the country so much that now not only a tiny minority profits from the oil wealth, no now those in the Barrios have healthcare education food etc....

Some unconnected responses:

Yes, Capone fed the poor of Chicago.

If Venezuela distributed it's wealth in any equitable fashion, the people wouldn't be living in shanties. The oil revenues alone ....

If you're willing to trade free expression, private ownership, and fair elections, etc. for a bit of grain in your belly, you're easier to please than I am.

Venezuela is a beautiful country, btw. Sadly, one man is holding it back from reaching its potential.

 

[DC]

Some unconnected responses:

Yes, Capone fed the poor of Chicago.

If Venezuela distributed it's wealth in any equitable fashion, the people wouldn't be living in shanties. The oil revenues alone ....

If you're willing to trade free expression, private ownership, and fair elections, etc. for a bit of grain in your belly, you're easier to please than I am.

Venezuela is a beautiful country, btw. Sadly, one man is holding it back from reaching its potential.

Capone was a criminal and not an elected president of an entire nation......

and now its Chavez fault that the poeple are living in the Barrios?

should he have continued the way the presidents before him did?

no i take issue with the resctrictions on the freedom of press.
yes, in key sectors i am in favor of Nationalizations.
the elections are free and fair according to international elections observers.

 

[Beerina]

Usually looters don't give the lootet stuff to the Nation / the people.

So you look favorably on looting as long as I nominally give it to "The People", while remaining in power to just seize things arbitrarily?


Deal of a lifetime, if you ask me. I haven't heard such a sweet deal since Mao decided to wear a worker's uniform in exchange for a complete and all-encompassing power over everything.

 

[DC]

So you look favorably on looting as long as I nominally give it to "The People", while remaining in power to just seize things arbitrarily?


Deal of a lifetime, if you ask me. I haven't heard such a sweet deal since Mao decided to wear a worker's uniform in exchange for a complete and all-encompassing power over everything.

usually the looted people dont get any compensations from the looters.

but those are just details, lets stick to the Mao and Stalin comparisons, they are so extremely accurate...

 

[Pardalis]

Funny DC, for someone who keeps repeating he is not pro Chávez, you are consistently defending him whenever his name is mentioned.

 

[geni]

Hugo certainly makes use of the lowliest possible tactics. Don't pay an oil company for their work, and when they cease their work for you accuse them of idling and seize their equipment. It's kind of difficult to get lower than that

You either have some deeply warped standards or missed a bunch of of 20th century events.

 

[geni]

So you look favorably on looting as long as I nominally give it to "The People", while remaining in power to just seize things arbitrarily?


Deal of a lifetime, if you ask me. I haven't heard such a sweet deal since Mao decided to wear a worker's uniform in exchange for a complete and all-encompassing power over everything.

This is south america. Deal of a lifetime isn't the best of bets.

 

[DC]

Funny DC, for someone who keeps repeating he is not pro Chávez, you are consistently defending him whenever his name is mentioned.

huh? I am pro Chavez, he isn't my hero as claimed sometimes, and i don't support everything he does and says, especially lately.

 

[dudalb]

The lengths Dear Leader's apologists will go to in order to defend him...

THye are just following in the great tradition of the militant Left during the 1930s' when Uncle Joe was the great champion of the proletariat, and the Soviet Union was the Worker's Paradise.......

 

[McHrozni]

You either have some deeply warped standards or missed a bunch of of 20th century events.

Such as?

McHrozni

 

[geni]

Such as?

McHrozni

Well I'd say the lowest possible standards well genocide although gulags don't rate much higher. Nationalisation without compensation (now there's a slogan you don't hear much these days) is pretty mild by comparison.

 

[funk de fino]

So far they appear to be "surprised" rather than angry. The company knew the risks when it chose to work in venezuela so it can't complain too much.

What? If these companies were some car manufacturer that decided to take risk and go to Venezeula last year and then had their stuff seized then you may have a slight point. These are companies who have been there for years and are owe billions already.

This specific company offered to sell the equipment to Hugo and then he decides to just take it anyway. Of course they can complain.

 

[geni]

What? If these companies were some car manufacturer that decided to take risk and go to Venezeula last year and then had their stuff seized then you may have a slight point. These are companies who have been there for years and are owe billions already.

Which brings up the question of invoment with the coup.

 

[McHrozni]

Well I'd say the lowest possible standards well genocide although gulags don't rate much higher. Nationalisation without compensation (now there's a slogan you don't hear much these days) is pretty mild by comparison.

I suggest you read my post again. It had nothing to do with the severity of the event (although this isn't exactly trivial either), but with dirty tactics employed by Hugo to make it pass.

McHrozni

 

[geni]

I suggest you read my post again. It had nothing to do with the severity of the event (although this isn't exactly trivial either), but with dirty tactics employed by Hugo to make it pass.

McHrozni

Still far short of the lowest. Didn't kidnap the board's familiy to get them to sign everything over for example.

 

[McHrozni]

Still far short of the lowest. Didn't kidnap the board's familiy to get them to sign everything over for example.

It's down to opinion. I think his current tactics are lower, because he retains a faint veil of legality with it.

McHrozni

 

[Beerina]

This is south america. Deal of a lifetime isn't the best of bets.

Hehe, recall that scene in the Bond movie where the drug lord says to the president, "Remember, you are only El Presidente For Life..."

 

[funk de fino]

Which brings up the question of invoment with the coup.

Yes, of course they were. My company has a huge budget for overseas coup.