Jewish dance group stoned in Hanover, Germany

[Thunder]

Pardalis- do you think community understanding and educational events, between Jewish and Muslims in Germany and elsewhere, would be useful to stop anti-Semitism?

you know, cause a lot of anti-Semitic acts do not happen inside a political vacuum.

 

[Pardalis]

that is correct. im not justifying violence or harrassment. but i would not be surprised at such events.

And the ones committing those attacks shouldn't be surprised if they are thrown in jail or it.

You know, the law and everything...

 

[Thunder]

And the ones committing those attacks shouldn't be surprised if they are thrown in jail or it.

You know, the law and everything...

as if ANYONE here has suggested the stone throwers should not be punished for their crime.

the goal should not be to simply punish folks when they commit hate crimes, but to prevent hate crimes in the first place.

perhaps Jews and Muslims in Germany have some talking to do.

 

[Pardalis]

Pardalis- do you think community understanding and educational events

What the hell are those?

Will understanding why a KKK member hates blacks, or why a mysogin hates women stop them from committing hate crimes?

The parents of those kids should have taught them tolerance, and civic responsibility and good conduct, and a little critical thinking would have helped.

Israel's actions last June or anytime in the past have nothing to do with it.

 

[ddt]

I didn't see you being very critical of the German kids so far, which is the topic of this thread.

You might want to re-read the thread. The rest of your post is really not worth reacting to.

 

[Thunder]

Israel's actions last June or anytime in the past have nothing to do with it.

i am curious as to how you can be soooo positive of that.

did you interview the rock throwers to find out their motivations?

KKK type racism, and teenage Muslim anti-Israel anger, have slightly different dynamics.

I'd expect you to understand that.

...and btw, telling yourself again and again, that Israeli actions have NOTHING to do with anti-Jewish acts in Europe and elsewhere, doesn't really solve the problem, now does it?

 

[Pardalis]

i am curious as to how you can be soooo positive of that.

Are the Jewish dancers linked to the Israeli government or the IDF in any way?

did you interview the rock throwers to find out their motivations?

Did you?

KKK type racism, and teenage Muslim anti-Israel anger, have slightly different dynamics.

They're based on the same thing, resentment and frustration, and scapegoating their own problems and inabilities onto another group.

...and btw, telling yourself again and again, that Israeli actions have NOTHING to do with anti-Jewish acts in Europe and elsewhere, doesn't really solve the problem, now does it?

If Israel stopped whatever it is you think it should stop doing, will this end antisemitism?

 

[WildCat]

how do you confront them if you do not even try to understand where their hatred comes from?

The hatred comes from the fundamentalist interpretation of their religion.

And did you know people hated Jews long before there was an Israel? Israel is just the latest excuse to hate Jews, it certainly isn't the only one.

 

[Thunder]

If Israel stopped whatever you think it should stop doing, will this end antisemitism?

in my opinion, a great deal of anti-Semitism would subside.

but there will always be Christians and Muslims who hate Jews for purely religious reasons.

 

[Thunder]

And did you know people hated Jews long before there was an Israel? Israel is just the latest excuse to hate Jews, it certainly isn't the only one.

is this your way of saying that Israeli actions have NOTHING to do with anti-Jewish feelings in the world?

is this your way of saying:

"people will always hate Jews. there is nothing Israel does or doesn't do to make it worse or better. therefore, Israel should be allowed to do whatever the hell it wants".

....I'll bet the FBI has some great statistics on anti-Jewish hate crimes. I wonder how they corrolate with political events in the Middle East.

 

[DC]

The hatred comes from the fundamentalist interpretation of their religion.

And did you know people hated Jews long before there was an Israel? Israel is just the latest excuse to hate Jews, it certainly isn't the only one.

where does non Muslim's antisemitism come from ?

 

[Pardalis]

in my opinion, a great deal of anti-Semitism would subside.

And what exactly is it that Israel should stop doing? Alot of criticism of Israel stems from it merely existing. Should it stop existing, to appease the intolerants worldwide?

but there will always be Christians and Muslims who hate Jews for purely religious reasons.

So it's a catch-22, alot of the problems in that region is due to exactly that.

 

[Thunder]

And what exactly is it that Israel should stop doing? Alot of criticism of Israel stems from it merely existing. Should it stop existing, to appease the intolerants worldwide?

that's for another topic.

 

[Pardalis]

that's for another topic.

Nice evasion. Hardly noticeable.

 

[Childlike Empress]

perhaps Jews and Muslims in Germany have some talking to do.

Well, it's not easy. As ddt explained, the "Central Committee" - Zentralrat der Juden in Deutschland - claims to represent all jews in Germany, and they are an arch-zionist, reactionary bunch. There are organisations of liberal jews in Germany, but their voice is so seldomly heard on the media that i can't even tell you the name of one. On the other hand, there are also rather loud-mouthed muslim organisations like the turkish Millî Görüş and others who aren't helpful in conveying a constructive dialogue.

 

[Thunder]

Nice evasion. Hardly noticeable.

avoiding a derail is NOT evasion. im happy to discuss this with you in a new topic. or via PM.

 

[Pardalis]

That's pathetic.

 

[Chaos]

The hatred comes from the fundamentalist interpretation of their religion.

Ever considered applying for the MDC? You know, with your awesome mind-reading skills...

 

[Thunder]

Ever considered applying for the MDC? You know, with your awesome mind-reading skills...

I think if any of us suggested that the hatred these kids felt may have something to do with the Israeli blockade upon Gaza, we might be called terrorist-enablers.

for some very interesting reasons, it has become verbotten to suggest any link whatsoever between anti-Jewish acts and Israeli policies.

 

[bigjelmapro]

wow, nice twisting, i'm honestly impressed.

At this point, I honestly think you don't know the meaning of the word 'twist'.

here your first post on the topic, the one i responded to because it contained a lot of misleading claims from your side. I bolded it.

Misleading how. You're stellar at quoting, but fail miserably in actually responding.

then you claimed strange stuff about the word and i corrected you on it. Later you got upset because i used the word Kies, which is usual for me rather than the longer word with the same meaning Kieselstein, and you wanted me to stop using that. And you claimed i did it to avoid the word stone (stein) while in English i have been using the word stone instead of gravel or pebble, because i am more used to the word stone.

Only thing you corrected me on was the 'Kies' has a size specification (industrial) of .07 to almost 2.5 inches. Beyond that, there's nothing you've corrected me on except incessant whinging about how I can't talk to you regarding German or any related Germanic language.

so you should stop playing victim here when you are the attacker.

Never did. So no need to try and turn the tables.

as you didn't even know that Kieselsteine does describe the size of the stone, i have to question your knowledge of the Dutch word Kiezelsteen.

Industrial size specs of .07 to 2.5 inches, of which you provided the link in addition to a pdf. In regular everyday use of the term, it doesn't necessarily specify size. Until this sinks in, just like in the many other threads your erroneously claim certain things, I'll repeat it.