Jewish dance group stoned in Hanover, Germany

ddt said:
I've read that one - I should have said. It gives only half a page on antisemitism, and only one total number, no analysis at all. I've also looked at the Bundesamt für Politische Bildung, the Antisemitism Research Centre of the TU Berlin, and the Antonio Adameo Foundation, which were all referrals from relevant wiki pages. None had this kind of yearly report.
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Sorry, can't help then. And sorry that i messed up your quote so that it seemed like i quoted myself. I used the multiquote feature before, didn't post what i had compiled and cut the wrong code. It's a little bit picky. :)
 
bigjelmapro said:
I've stated what should be investigated which is the rise of anti-semitism and disdain for Jews in the Islamic uhmmah overall. The libel is plastered all over the internet, so not really hard to find...
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I don't see a rise in "antisemitism". I see a rise in disgust about the policies of Israel, caused by the disgusting policies of Israel. Which causes "collateral damage", like in this case.
 
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Childlike Empress said:
I don't see a rise in "antisemitism". I see a rise in disgust about the policies of Israel, caused by the disgusting policies of Israel. Which causes "collateral damage", like in this case.
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So I was right all along:

Pardalis said:
You're running away again.

Let me answer it for you then.

The only reason I see why you would bring up those kids' parents' heritage, is because you think they've got legitimate grievances against Israel, so therefore according to you throwing pebbles at those Jews was in a twisted way justified.
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So when you said the heritage of those kids parents "help us understand" these events, in fact, it helps you legitimize and excuse their hate crime.
 
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Childlike Empress said:
I don't see a rise in "antisemitism". I see a rise in disgust about the policies of Israel, caused by the disgusting policies of Israel. Which causes "collateral damage", like in this case.
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And what exactly do these Jewish dancers have to do with Israel's policies?

Are all Jewish people around the world responsible for Israel's policies, and therefore legitimate targets for reprisals?
 
You just confirmed what I already knew. What you've just written is clear, and everyone can see for himself.

According to you it's not a hate crime, it's "collateral damage".
 
Pardalis said:
And what exactly do these Jewish dancers have to do with Israel's policies?

Are all Jewish people around the world responsible for Israel's policies, and therefore legitimate targets for reprisals?
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if they are or not depends on the point of view.
it seems many people do indeed hold them responsible and even legit targets for such ugly acts like in Hannover.
 
DC said:
if they are or not depends on the point of view.
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They are MOST CERTAINLY NOT. Period.

it seems many people do indeed hold them responsible and even legit targets for such ugly acts like in Hannover.
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And those people are antisemites, and committed a hate crime against innocent civilians. Stop defending them.
 
Pardalis said:
They are MOST CERTAINLY NOT. Period.

And those people are antisemites, and committed a hate crime against innocent civilians. Stop defending them.
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i do not defending them holy crap, where did you get that from.........

for me they are surely also not responsible and especially no legit target.

But for some they are, if you agree with them or not, that is their point of view.
that doesn't excuse their action in any way.
 
DC said:
i do not defending them holy crap, where did you get that from.........
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You're equating this to a simple matter of "point of view", which is the silliest and most disgusting piece of apologetics I've ever seen,

DC, you do agree that members of the KKK hold responsible black people for the white man's problems, right? That's the whole point of their propaganda, right?

So according to you, if everything is a matter of "point of view" then any attack they make against black people is understandable?
 
DC said:
please what?
i dont understand what you want to say with that.
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I'm saying I'm not sure how "Fundamentalist" a Muslim needs to be to heed the many Koran versus that call for direct use of violence and deceit to achieve its dominant expansionary ends. But it is probably still a good word/concept/distinction between peace loving people that are Muslim and the ones that tend to do stuff like 9/11, 7/7, death threats over cartoons, throw rocks at dancers, etc.
 
Pardalis said:
You're equating this to a simple matter of "point of view", which is the silliest and most disgusting piece of apologetics I've ever seen,

DC, you do agree that members of the KKK hold responsible black people for the white man's problems, right? That's the whole point of their propaganda, right?

So according to you, if everything is a matter of "point of view" then any attack they make against black people is understandable?
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well yes, afaik, while i'm not very informed about the KKK.
do i share that point of view? no way.
does that excuse their racism? in no way.
 
Then what exactly is you point?

You said: "if they are or not depends on the point of view."

Not it doesn't. It's not a matter of point of view. Racism is wrong, and hate crimes are against the law. If you agree those acts of violence were wrong then fight them.

Have some backbone and stand up for your opinions, stop making moral equivalences.
 
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Pardalis said:
Then what exactly is you point?

You said: "if they are or not depends on the point of view."

Not it doesn't. It's not a matter of point of view. Racism is wrong, and hate crimes are against the law. If you agree those acts of violence were wrong then fight them.

Have some backbone and stand up for your opinions, stop making moral equivalences.
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i have condemned the action right away....

but trying to understand how such hatred can come into existence is considered defending and apologizing them.... thats your problem.
 
Resolver said:
Muslims make up about 1/4 of the world population, but it seems much more than 1/4 of attacks such as 9/11, 7/7, death threats over religion, etc. come from Muslims. There are plenty of peaceful Muslims, but there is a disproportionate tendency all over the world to act upon the violent, holy war type of "Jihad", Jane.
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"Seems" doesn't sound like too authoritative a basis for such an inflamatory claim as the one you have made.

There are many peaceful US Americans but it seems that the United States of America is responsible for many more acts of violence that your "Muslims".

Friend of the US, Israel, also seems to be disproportionately violent.
 
JihadJane said:
"Seems" doesn't sound like too authoritative a basis for such an inflamatory claim as the one you have made.
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Forget "seems". Islam has bloody borders. With all its neighbors.

Friend of the US, Israel, also seems to be disproportionately violent.
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Disproportionate to what?
 
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