Mossad agent arrested in Hamas assassination case

[Matthew Ellard]

The Aussies dispatched officers from various intelligence agencies to Israel several times, as did the British. Both parrot each other's claims with the same claims but no disclosed information actually linking Israel or Mossad to the operation.

Incorrect. Australia deported the head of Mossad for an earlier use of fake Australian passports in 2005. New Zealand arrested two Mossad agents in 2004 for stealing New Zealand passports. The ASIS investigation concerning Dubai was an ongoing matter for Australia.

 

[Darth Rotor]

suspected terrorists? i would prefer convicted.

Me too actually. I'd by far prefer arrests and convictions, with assassinations and military options left to a last resort option.

Too bad we didn't convict Hirohito before going to war with his sorry arse in 1941.

As I understand it, Mossad is Israel's dirty tricks department. Who else is supposed to assassinate terrorists? Anyone got an answer for me on that one?

Any of you read The Feathermen?

 

[a_unique_person]

I said no such thing, liar.

What constitutes a valid 'link' then?

By this reasoning, peace can be achieved by getting Hamas to agree to kill just half of all jews.

No, by my reasoning no one gets killed and there is mutual agreement on the borders of a new state.

 

[Mycroft]

Bigjel- do you think its ok for nations to use fraudulent passports to kill people in foreign countries without permission from the govt.?

A) Fraudulent passports.

B) Killing people.

I'm trying to fathom why anyone would get hung up over A and not B. What kind of moral code could possibly put forgery in a worse category than killing people?

The only answer I can possibly come up with is that the real objection is to killing the person, but the person was so despicable you know that objecting to his killing would only get you a big raspberry...so you find another excuse to object.

If these guys had to jaywalk, double-park a car, or broke the speed limit in their getaway, would you be going on about how Mossad was flaunting the traffic laws of this foreign country?

We're talking about intelligence work. Secret or false identities are part of the tool-kit for these guys. Do we somehow imagine the CIA or MI5 doesn't use fake passports sometimes? Of course they do.

Let's be honest. The real objection here isn't using fake passports. The real objection is being good at this job.

 

[bigjelmapro]

Incorrect. Australia deported the head of Mossad for an earlier use of fake Australian passports in 2005. New Zealand arrested two Mossad agents in 2004 for stealing New Zealand passports. The ASIS investigation concerning Dubai was an ongoing matter for Australia.

And the correlation between the investigations in 2005 is connected to the latter one how? Because its deemed ongoing? There was no correlation other than the superficial one of passports being involved, albeit forged ones, not real ones attained via the government through fraudulent claims...

 

[funk de fino]

I don't get where you're going with this.

Of course you don't.

Irish didn't even conduct their own investigation, they simply followed suit of the British. The Aussies dispatched officers from various intelligence agencies to Israel several times, as did the British. Both parrot each other's claims with the same claims but no disclosed information actually linking Israel or Mossad to the operation.

Linked a few articles earlier.

About the Irish findings. Not about whether they carried out an investigation. They all carried out an investigations and on those findings expelled an Israeli. You are now contradicting your earlier claims.

Why should they show you the findings? You would handwave them anyway.

As I mentioned before in the other thread as to my only complaint about said operation, was the use of real names on a forged passport. Other than that, had no issue.

Thats no what you were arguing here. You made a mistake in a post and are now trying to cover it up.

Nope. You hope that this was my position. Still not blue in the face then eh?

I am sure you said you knew for a fact at first. Do we have to bring it here?

 

[funk de fino]

Cowards sneak about on false passports belonging to real people.

Real names bit, sure. Fake passports, still no.

I said false, not fake. Are you deliberately playing dumb?

And this game of semantics will get you where? No where as usual.

Did the cowards use their real passports or not?

Oh, whinge, another loaded question.

So a loaded question is one that proves you lied about the passports? the murderers/assassins did not use their own passports did they?

A loaded question that proves. This is getting better by the moment.

Did they use their own passports? Were they false? Were they fake?

I don't get where you're going with this.

How about you explain your train of though in this exchange? I made a statement (not a question) about cowards and false passports and you said the bolded. What does "fake passports, still no" mean? Because it looks like you are saying they are not fake.

If it was something else it bore no resemblance to any sensible reply to my post.

 

[funk de fino]

A) Fraudulent passports.

B) Killing people.

I'm trying to fathom why anyone would get hung up over A and not B. What kind of moral code could possibly put forgery in a worse category than killing people?

The only answer I can possibly come up with is that the real objection is to killing the person, but the person was so despicable you know that objecting to his killing would only get you a big raspberry...so you find another excuse to object.

If these guys had to jaywalk, double-park a car, or broke the speed limit in their getaway, would you be going on about how Mossad was flaunting the traffic laws of this foreign country?

We're talking about intelligence work. Secret or false identities are part of the tool-kit for these guys. Do we somehow imagine the CIA or MI5 doesn't use fake passports sometimes? Of course they do.

Let's be honest. The real objection here isn't using fake passports. The real objection is being good at this job.

Wrong. Many here believe that killing someone like this in another country is wrong regardless of the false passport thing. That is just another cherry on the cake.

Cowardly and a botched job.

 

[Thunder]

If these guys had to jaywalk, double-park a car, or broke the speed limit in their getaway, would you be going on about how Mossad was flaunting the traffic laws of this foreign country?

yes, cause committing murder in a foreign land without permission or even informing the gov., using faked passports of REAL LIVE people, is just like..

....jaywalking.

 

[Matthew Ellard]

And the correlation between the investigations in 2005 is connected to the latter one how?

Because Israel faked Australian passports in 2005 and Israel faked Australian passports in 2010. The investigation concerns Israel faking Australian passports and we never discovered what happened to 20 passports faked in 2005 that Israel said they destroyed.

 

[Thunder]

Because Israel faked Australian passports in 2005 and Israel faked Australian passports in 2010. The investigation concerns Israel faking Australian passports and we never discovered what happened to 20 passports faked in 2005 that Israel said they destroyed.

Australian Nazis have no right to tell Jews how to protect themselves from genocidal Islamo-fascists. How many Jews did Australia save during the Holocaust?????

thought not!!!

 

[mortimer]

Australian Nazis have no right to tell Jews how to protect themselves from genocidal Islamo-fascists. How many Jews did Australia save during the Holocaust?????

thought not!!!

Um, what?

 

[Matthew Ellard]

Australian Nazis have no right to tell Jews how to protect themselves from genocidal Islamo-fascists. How many Jews did Australia save during the Holocaust?????

thought not!!!

I assume this was meant to be sarcastic.

Australia was a bit busy. With a population of 6.7 million in WWII we were stretched a bit thin flying aircraft in bomber command in the UK, fighting Germans & Italians in the middle east and pushing the Japanese back up through Kokoda using fixed bayonets. After six years of this Australia was a little "burnt out" and could not help rescue jews other than welcoming 23,000 jewish immigrants as good new friends.

 

[Thunder]

After six years of this Australia was a little "burnt out" and could not help rescue jews other than welcoming 23,000 jewish immigrants as good new friends.

that's around the same number the USA saved.

considering Australia's size and distance from Europe, I'd say you guys did your part. a lot more than other nations did.

thank you.

 

[bigjelmapro]

How about you explain your train of though in this exchange? I made a statement (not a question) about cowards and false passports and you said the bolded. What does "fake passports, still no" mean? Because it looks like you are saying they are not fake.

If it was something else it bore no resemblance to any sensible reply to my post.

Have you taken a tumble down the stairs head first? I've already clarified this as stating that I have issues in using real names on passports used for operations such as these, not the overall issue with using fake passports.

I find it quite entertaining that you are still running with this. Should think twice about hitting the reply button to this ranting of yours. But continue whinging about how using fake passports equates to cowardice.

 

[bigjelmapro]

I assume this was meant to be sarcastic.

Don't feed the troll. He's obviously become irrelevant in all threads he's posting in, better clean up the page and put him on your ignore list.

 

[DC]

bigjelmapro? do you now believe that Israel did it? or do you still deny the conclusions of the investigation of Australia and the UK?

 

[bigjelmapro]

Why do you keep asking redundant questions? If and when the evidence is released making the definitive connections to Israel's intelligence agencies, then I'll admit it.

Don't see why I would need to make a special case with Israel when making conclusions based on evidence released by an investigation.

 

[DC]

Why do you keep asking redundant questions? If and when the evidence is released making the definitive connections to Israel's intelligence agencies, then I'll admit it.

Don't see why I would need to make a special case with Israel when making conclusions based on evidence released by an investigation.

so that all those passports were given to Israeli officials for inspections, and not being linked to another country. is not compelling reason to believe they did it? i can understand that.

 

[bigjelmapro]

so that all those passports were given to Israeli officials for inspections, and not being linked to another country. is not compelling reason to believe they did it? i can understand that.

I don't know what this means, and if this is some sort of connecting evidence, quote it.