Stem Cells & Healing?

[Kumar]

Yes, we do.


I'd be thankful if you actually paid attention.


We can't.


No you don't.

I have not seen.

It could be quite horible, if we are compromising or weakening our stem cell system. Delayed wound healing and compromised healing in older, chronically sick people or prefered lifestyle & prefered interventions related can be due to lesser/decreasing stem cell activity. Probably it become a reason to naturally extinguishing of species. Probably, it can be due to not following the mother nature, lesser direct exposure to mother earth. In zoo, caged & stressed animals do bear less child. Alike in big & polluted cities, fruit trees bear lesser fruits.

 

[PixyMisa]

I have not seen.

True that.

It could be quite horible, if we are compromising or weakening our stem cell system.

We aren't.

 

[Kumar]

True that.


We aren't.

Probably muscle wasting and other wastings as a result of chronic disease, may have some relation to stem cell system's abnormality. Any natural body's action may have some surrvival hidden benefit in nett. Probably bone resorption, teeth carries, PTH/pH abnormalities occur due to chronic disease, to mobilize stem cells activities. If we don't produce children naturally, our system may take it that we now don't need them or we are not fittest in nature so don't have that naturality.

 

[Taffer]

Kumar, the "stem cell system" is not what you think it is. It does not do what you think it does. You are wrong.

 

[Harpyja]

How then our immune & stem cell system get weakened during our life? Why we need aid/alternatives to immune & stem cell system?

Why then we need regenarative medicines including stem cell therapy?

Well, there are lots of reasons, too many to cover in one post. For example, there is something called leukopenia, where your body doesn't have enough leukocytes (white blood cells), or in other cases of immunodeficiency diseases.

We should not confuse between evolution, generation & regenaration. By regenaration I mean healing of damaged part which we already have but not new growth. Do you want to say we don't have stem cells to heal damaged parts?

Well, adults only have somatic stem cells, but sometimes that's not enough. Embryonic stem cells - the kind found in embryos and umbilical cord blood - are much more useful than somatic stem cells, which aren't as flexible.

Check these pages on Wikipedia and come back when you've read them. If you don't, I won't respond. I took time to help you and I read these articles, now you should too. If English is your second language, I'm certain there are translations available.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adult_stem_cell
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stem_cells
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immune_deficiency

Oh, and fasting may affect the immune system negatively through malnutrition.

 

[Kumar]

Well, there are lots of reasons, too many to cover in one post. For example, there is something called leukopenia, where your body doesn't have enough leukocytes (white blood cells), or in other cases of immunodeficiency diseases.

Yes that I was also reading & indicating. Following quote from one link provided by you also tell it:-

Adult stem cells are undifferentiated cells, found throughout the body after embryonic development, that multiply by cell division to replenish dying cells and regenerate damaged tissues. Also known as somatic stem cells (from Greek Σωματικóς, meaning of the body), they can be found in juvenile as well as adult animals and humans.

Scientific interest in adult stem cells has centered on their ability to divide or self-renew indefinitely, and generate all the cell types of the organ from which they originate, potentially regenerating the entire organ from a few cells
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adult_stem_cell

Well, adults only have somatic stem cells, but sometimes that's not enough. Embryonic stem cells - the kind found in embryos and umbilical cord blood - are much more useful than somatic stem cells, which aren't as flexible.

Yes but can't they produce unspecific outcome due to their somewhat omnipotency? I think adult cells can be more specific.

However following quote from your above link is also important:-

Plasticity/Adult stem cell pluripotency
Exciting discoveries in recent years have suggested that adult stem cells might have the ability to differentiate into cell types from different germ layers. For instance, neural stem cells from the brain, which are derived from ectoderm, can differentiate into ectoderm, mesoderm and endoderm [4]. Stem cells from the bone marrow, which is derived from mesoderm, can differentiate into liver, lung, GI tract and skin, which are derived from endoderm and mesoderm. [5]. This phenomenon is referred to as stem cell transdifferentiation or plasticity. It can be induced by modifying the growth medium when stem cells are cultured in vitro or transplanting them to an organ of the body different from the one they were originally isolated from.

Check these pages on Wikipedia and come back when you've read them. If you don't, I won't respond. I took time to help you and I read these articles, now you should too. If English is your second language, I'm certain there are translations available.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adult_stem_cell
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stem_cells
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immune_deficiency

Thanks for the links. I read these again.

Oh, and fasting may affect the immune system negatively through malnutrition.

Can't it be meant to balance overeatings or can't it be meant to remove dying weak & old cells by decreasing nutrients to them?

 

[Kumar]

Kumar, the "stem cell system" is not what you think it is. It does not do what you think it does. You are wrong.

Then tell me.

 

[Mojo]

Then tell me.

OK. You are wrong.

 

[Taffer]

Can't it be meant to balance overeatings or can't it be meant to remove dying weak & old cells by decreasing nutrients to them?

No. You are starving yourself. It is not healthy. If you do it long enough, you will suffer from malnutrition.

Then tell me.

Tell you what? PixyMisa has explained things over and over again to you. You have been provided with links, and suggestions educate yourself further. Have you done so?

 

[PixyMisa]

Probably muscle wasting and other wastings as a result of chronic disease, may have some relation to stem cell system's abnormality.

No.

Any natural body's action may have some surrvival hidden benefit in nett.

Like what?

Probably bone resorption, teeth carries, PTH/pH abnormalities occur due to chronic disease, to mobilize stem cells activities.

No.

If we don't produce children naturally

We do.

our system may take it that we now don't need them or we are not fittest in nature so don't have that naturality.

No.

 

[PixyMisa]

Yes but can't they produce unspecific outcome due to their somewhat omnipotency?

No, they can't. They're not "omnipotent" (the technical term is "totipotent"). They can only turn into specific types of cells (the technical terms for this are "multipotent" and "pluripotent".)

I think adult cells can be more specific.

Yes, exactly.

Can't it be meant to balance overeatings

It can; that's known as dieting. It's usually not very successful, at least in the overfed West.

or can't it be meant to remove dying weak & old cells by decreasing nutrients to them?

No.

 

[Kumar]

Even autoimmunity(even beta cell damge), iron defficiencies etc. can have surrvival benefit. I try to understand hidden net survival benefits in all body's physiological actions. Probably, non-damaging actions of a mad person may be meant in some benefit to reverse his madness. Try you may feel better.

I feel we had enough discussions with you. I would like to hear from Harpyja. I shall be more interested to understand stimulation & compromising of stem cell system by natural & unnatural means respectively instead by stem cell therapy which is still on early stage of research. Till it is matured & proved, we can atleast try unharmful non-invasive means to better use this system.

In nature, we can notice that birds & annimals do practice fasting & resting in dark corner for some time and then get naturally cured. This somewhat suggest something is hidden in these natural practices because we also get aversion to food & liking to take rest on many diseases & disorders. Someone suggested PNS, good sleep suppot stem cell activities.

 

[Kumar]

No, they can't. They're not "omnipotent" (the technical term is "totipotent"). They can only turn into specific types of cells (the technical terms for this are "multipotent" and "pluripotent".)

Yes, exactly.

It can; that's known as dieting. It's usually not very successful, at least in the overfed West.


No.

In definitions of various stem cells which I provided it is mentioned;-

"Totipotent (a.k.a omnipotent) stem cells"

Since they are capable in differenciating any type of cell in body. As such, they can be considered as omnipotent for the body.

It can be important to understand, what fasting for some time can help in stimulating stem cell activities. One can be bringing body to homeostasis other dying of old, worn-out senile cells.

 

[PixyMisa]

Even autoimmunity(even beta cell damge), iron defficiencies etc. can have surrvival benefit.

No. Some things are simply bad.

I try to understand hidden net survival benefits in all body's physiological actions.

No.

What you are doing is making up "hidden net survival benefits".

Probably, non-damaging actions of a mad person may be meant in some benefit to reverse his madness.

No.

I feel we had enough discussions with you. I would like to hear from Harpyja. I shall be more interested to understand stimulation & compromising of stem cell system by natural & unnatural means

There's no such thing.

Till it is matured & proved, we can atleast try unharmful non-invasive means to better use this system.

There's no such thing.

In nature, we can notice that birds & annimals do practice fasting & resting in dark corner for some time and then get naturally cured.

No we don't.

This somewhat suggest something is hidden in these natural practices

No it doesn't.

because we also get aversion to food & liking to take rest on many diseases & disorders.

Yes. WHICH HAS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH STEM CELLS.

Someone suggested PNS, good sleep suppot stem cell activities.

They lied.

 

[PixyMisa]

In definitions of various stem cells which I provided it is mentioned;-

"Totipotent (a.k.a omnipotent) stem cells"

Since they are capable in differenciating any type of cell in body.

Yes. Unfortunately, YOU DON'T HAVE ANY. (Assuming you are male, anyway. And unfertilised eggs are only totipotent in potentia.)

As such, they can be considered as omnipotent for the body.

No. The word "omnipotent" means something different.

It can be important to understand, what fasting for some time can help in stimulating stem cell activities.

It can't. It doesn't. This does not happen.

One can be bringing body to homeostasis other dying of old, worn-out senile cells.

No.

 

[Taffer]

Kumar, you are still wrong, and are still not listening to PixyMisa. As has been explained to you again and again, stem cells in our body do not do what you want them to. We cannot regenerate. Fasting does nothing but starve you. You are wrong.

 

[Mojo]

It can; that's known as dieting. It's usually not very successful, at least in the overfed West.

It probably doesn't work in the overfed East that spends far too much time carrying out Google searches in the hope of finding something that will justify ignoring its doctor's advice about diabetes management, either. It takes a bit of effort, willpower, and exercise.

 

[Kumar]

No. Some things are simply bad.

Probably few beta cell damage by autoimmunity in type diabetics may me meant to decrease insulin's consistent & continual overexposure to target cells causing down regulation & insulin resistance.

About iron just read it;-

Iron is an oxidant as well as a nutrient for invading microbial and neoplastic cells. Excessive iron in specific tissues and cells (iron loading) promotes development of infection, neoplasia, cardiomyopathy, arthropathy, and various endocrine and possibly neurodegenerative disorders. To contain and detoxify the metal, hosts have evolved an iron withholding defense system, but the system can be compromised by numerous factors. An array of behavioral, medical, and immunologic methods are in place or in development to strengthen iron withholding. Routine screening for iron loading could provide valuable information in epidemiologic, diagnostic, prophylactic, and therapeutic studies of emerging infectious diseases.

http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/eid/vol5no3/weinberg.htm

No.

What you are doing is making up "hidden net survival benefits".


No.


There's no such thing.


There's no such thing.


No we don't.


No it doesn't.


Yes. WHICH HAS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH STEM CELLS.


They lied.

Ok.

 

[Kumar]

Yes. Unfortunately, YOU DON'T HAVE ANY. (Assuming you are male, anyway. And unfertilised eggs are only totipotent in potentia.)

"Totipotent (a.k.a omnipotent) stem cells can differentiate into embryonic and extraembryonic cell types. Such cells can construct a complete, viable, organism.[4] These cells are produced from the fusion of an egg and sperm cell. Cells produced by the first few divisions of the fertilized egg are also totipotent."

No. The word "omnipotent" means something different.


It can't. It doesn't. This does not happen.


No.

You can say so in general term but for stem cell purpose they are.

Ok as you say.

 

[Kumar]

Kumar, you are still wrong, and are still not listening to PixyMisa. As has been explained to you again and again, stem cells in our body do not do what you want them to. We cannot regenerate. Fasting does nothing but starve you. You are wrong.

I had quoted it previously;

Adult stem cells are undifferentiated cells, found throughout the body after embryonic development, that multiply by cell division to replenish dying cells and regenerate damaged tissues. Also known as somatic stem cells (from Greek Σωματικóς, meaning of the body), they can be found in juvenile as well as adult animals and humans.

Scientific interest in adult stem cells has centered on their ability to divide or self-renew indefinitely, and generate all the cell types of the organ from which they originate, potentially regenerating the entire organ from a few cells
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adult_stem_cell