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Stem Cells & Healing?

Kumar said:
Will our immune system need not to work lesser if antibiotics or anti inflammatories are given?
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Not really, because such drugs are given in the cases where the immune system cannot cope.

You get infections many times every day; millions of micro-organisms constantly try to invade your body. Most of the time, the immune system deals with them without you even noticing it.

Hans
 
MRC_Hans said:
Not really, because such drugs are given in the cases where the immune system cannot cope.

You get infections many times every day; millions of micro-organisms constantly try to invade your body. Most of the time, the immune system deals with them without you even noticing it.

Hans
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That depends on the infection.
 
Kumar said:
How then our immune & stem cell system get weakened during our life?
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For the immune system, there are a number of reasons:

Stress
Age
Malnutition
Diseases that attack the immune system itself

I don't know what you mean by the "stem cell system".

Why we need aid/alternatives to immune & stem cell system?
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I don't know about you, but if the alternatives are (a) dying of horrible diseases like tuberculus, smallpox, polio, tetanus or rabies or (b) taking some pills or getting immunised, I'm going to take the pills or get immunised.

The immune system is not magical. It doesn't protect us against everything. So we use medicine so that we don't get sick and die.
 
Rolfe said:
Why are you bothering? Seven years ago, five years ago maybe, there seemed some point in engaging with Kumar. I wasted many hours of my life back then that I'll never get back, trying to explain stuff to him. I looked up references, I typed stuff out of books, I did my very best.

It was a complete waste of time. He understood nothing, and flatly refused to look at any basic science texts to try to inform himself. He was only interested in looking for tiny snippets to cherry-pick to support whatever hobby-horse he was riding to homoeopathy's aid at that particular time.

Last time I pointed this out, he got cross and angry and resentful. I fully expect him to do that again. I don't care. Kumar sucks effort and commitment out of people prepared to try to help him, and gives nothing but ingratitude back. I'm done with him.

Rolfe.
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Well said. I've killfiled Kumar, there's no point paying any attention to his ramblings.
 
MRC_Hans said:
Exactly because we have not evolved regeneration (or some of our ancestors evolved away from it). If we had regeneration, we would NOT need regenerative medicines.

Just like we would not need aircraft if we had wings.

I would have thought even you could figure that out for yourself.

Hans
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We should not confuse between evolution, generation & regenaration. By regenaration I mean healing of damaged part which we already have but not new growth. Do you want to say we don't have stem cells to heal damaged parts?
 
MRC_Hans said:
Not really, because such drugs are given in the cases where the immune system cannot cope.

You get infections many times every day; millions of micro-organisms constantly try to invade your body. Most of the time, the immune system deals with them without you even noticing it.

Hans
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Yes but we may be entering early or we may not tolerate pain or to avoid some shocking effect, so we should be taking treatments early. Otherwise it may also heal naturally.
 
PixyMisa said:
For the immune system, there are a number of reasons:

Stress
Age
Malnutition
Diseases that attack the immune system itself
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What about fasting & hormetic effect, do these improve or weaken immunity?

I don't know what you mean by the "stem cell system".


I don't know about you, but if the alternatives are (a) dying of horrible diseases like tuberculus, smallpox, polio, tetanus or rabies or (b) taking some pills or getting immunised, I'm going to take the pills or get immunised.

The immune system is not magical. It doesn't protect us against everything. So we use medicine so that we don't get sick and die.
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That is true. It may be due for a reason, we don't want to take chance or not tolerate pains & other inconviniences. So many time we may not be giving chance to immune system to heal naturally.

By stem cell system I mean, where stem cells need to be involved in healing & development.

As said;

We should not confuse between evolution, generation & regenaration. By regenaration I mean healing of damaged part which we already have but not new type of growth. Do you want to say we don't have stem cells to heal damaged parts?
 
Kumar said:
We should not confuse between evolution, generation & regenaration. By regenaration I mean healing of damaged part which we already have but not new growth. Do you want to say we don't have stem cells to heal damaged parts?
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Correct. When we heal minor injuries, stem cells are not involved.
 
Kumar said:
What about fasting & hormetic effect, do these improve or weaken immunity?
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Fasting would probably weaken immunity.

What hormetic effect?

That is true. It may be due for a reason, we don't want to take chance or not tolerate pains & other inconviniences. So many time we may not be giving chance to immune system to heal naturally.
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Good. If we can use medicine to recover from illness faster, or prevent illness in the first place, that's a good thing.

By stem cell system I mean, where stem cells need to be involved in healing
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They're not.

& development.
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Development of what? Embryos?

As said;

We should not confuse between evolution, generation & regenaration. By regenaration I mean healing of damaged part which we already have but not new type of growth. Do you want to say we don't have stem cells to heal damaged parts?
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As said, yes. We don't have stem cells to heal damaged parts.
 
Kumar said:
We should not confuse between evolution, generation & regenaration. By regenaration I mean healing of damaged part which we already have but not new growth. Do you want to say we don't have stem cells to heal damaged parts?
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Do you think stem cells are just flowing through our body healing damaged bits all the time, Kumar?
 
PixyMisa said:
Fasting would probably weaken immunity.

What hormetic effect?


Good. If we can use medicine to recover from illness faster, or prevent illness in the first place, that's a good thing.


They're not.


Development of what? Embryos?


As said, yes. We don't have stem cells to heal damaged parts.
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While getting treatments we also get side/adverse effects alongwith & also some kind of suppressions.

Hormetic effects--hormesis biphasic response--low dose stimulation while high dose inhibition.

Embryo yes. What about bigger injuries, don't we need stem cell involvements?

Even few stem cells can be differenciated into any type and multiplied into any number, so we can't say that stem cells are not available to heal or remodel any damage. Simply something natural or unnatural resist them to act.
 
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Taffer said:
Do you think stem cells are just flowing through our body healing damaged bits all the time, Kumar?
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Some stem cells are found in circulation and can be increased on injury.

I don't know, whether their defficiency or weakness is natural or due to our lifestyle related unnaturality.
 
Kumar said:
Some stem cells are found in circulation and can be increased on injury.

I don't know, whether their defficiency or weakness is natural or due to our lifestyle related unnaturality.
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Evidence?
 
Kumar said:
While getting treatments we also get side/adverse effects alongwith & also some kind of suppressions.
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Yes. There are side effects to medicine. We don't use medicine when the side-effects outweigh the benefit. Or sensible people don't. In ayurvedic medicine, the side-effects always outweigh the benefit.

Hormetic effects--hormesis biphasic response--low dose stimulation while high dose inhibition.
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Yes, I know what the conjecture of hormesis is. It's not widely accepted, and it does not in any way support homeopathy.

Embryo yes.
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Fine.

What about bigger injuries, don't we need stem cell involvements?
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Yes. BUT WE DON'T HAVE THEM. That's why, if your head gets chopped off, it doesn't grow back.

Well, one of the reasons.

Even few stem cells can be differenciated into any type and multiplied into any number, so we can't say that stem cells are not available to heal or remodel any damage.
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WE DON'T HAVE THEM.

Adults mammals have some specific stem cells (such as bone marrow), but we don't have any pluripotent stem cells of the type you are describing.

Simply something natural or unnatural resist them to act.
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NO. WE DON'T HAVE THEM.
 
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