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ACARS messages to UA175 and UA93

So now truthers admit there's such a thing as ACARS? That's a little bit of progress, isn't it?
 
WildCat said:
So now truthers admit there's such a thing as ACARS? That's a little bit of progress, isn't it?
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Progress? Heck, go to that "OOS" thread and look at Major Tom's insistence that people put aside the Twin Towers' collapse progressions and look at collapse initiations. I'm frankly astounded.

Granted, in both the ACARS and collapse initiation arguments, they're citing it to push conspiratorial hypotheses, but like you said, at least they're paying attention to them.
 
Of course, this would begs the questions: Why send the message to the plane? Why send the ACARS to the wrong location if it is meant as a double bluff? Why leave these records around if they are so incriminating?
 
Simplicissimus said:
Cheap Shot/ Colin Scoggins was informed by UA HQ a few minutes after the crash. Or did he hallucinate?
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So what? People had different levels of knowledge and suspicions about what was going on. UA dispatch did not know immediately, it took a few minutes )see some of that process at the bottom of http://911myths.com/index.php/United_Airlines_Flight_175_Timeline ).

And Ballinger (who was sending the messages) didn't know until after UA had activated their crisis centre at 9:22.
 
Simplicissimus said:
reread Woodybox

"Messages #18 and #19 were sent to the aircraft from CHIDD using the RGS near Champaign, IL CMI... Message #19 also activated an audible signal in the aircraft."

This was at 10.10, seven minutes after UA93´s official crash near Shanksville
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Woodybox is delusional on 911 and makes up stuff based on messages in the system.

You don't understand the system and woodbox makes up delusions based on his lack of knowledge of the system. You are spreading delusions; Flight 93 can't have an audible signal in the aircraft after the aircraft is destroyed. Do you understand reality? Woodbox does not.

Why did UAL send messages after a plane crashes? Sad; how do the people sending messages know the plane crashed?

When we suspect a plane has crashed in the USAF we still try to contact the plane. Why? Why do you look for a lost dog and call out her name long after it has been crushed by a truck? Are you trying hard to be a truther or is it your hobby to spread lies and delusions made up by morons?
 
"Why did UAL send messages after a plane crashes? Sad; how do the people sending messages know the plane crashed?

When we suspect a plane has crashed in the USAF we still try to contact the plane. Why? Why do you look for a lost dog and call out her name long after it has been crushed by a truck? Are you trying hard to be a truther or is it your hobby to spread lies and delusions made up by morons?"

Why weren´t the messagers rejected after their crashes, as they could not receive them anymore?

"Messages #20 to #24 were sent to the aircraft from CHIDD.
However all of the messages were rejected indicating the aircraft
did not receive them." p. 57

http://www.911myths.com/images/1/1c/Team7_Box11_FBI302s_ACARS.pdf
 
When Columbia burned up, when NASA had reports of showers of debris on weather radar, when the final telemetry indicated something horribly wrong, NASA went through all the motions, trying to contact the spacecraft on every available band, sending landing instructions, and wind speeds until ten minutes after touchdown was supposed to have happened.

Why?
 
Simplicissimus said:
Any further opinions or insights?
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Woodybox is delusional on 911; a fact proved by woodybox. I did not say the messages were delusional, woodybox's conclusions are delusional.

The anomaly in the ACARS system is in he minds of 911 truth who have no knowledge and don't try to learn the truth; more of an anti-truth movement. ... terrorists, which 911 truth deny, caused 911 truth's anomaly problems.

Any clue what Woodybox is implying with this junk? What does it mean? What scenario does it support? Does it mean 19 terrorists did not do 911?

Both messages were sent to the printer and Message #19 also activated an audible signal in the aircraft."
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Sorry, there was no aircraft left! Did not happen, the guy means it was suppose to happen. Why do I know it did not happen? lol

In addition Flight 93 was too far for the signal to reach it!

If flight 93 crashed before the messages arrived by VHF radio signal, the audible signal never went off, and the printer never printed - these are facts in evidence due to the destruction of Flight 93 when it hit the ground at 600 mph.

If a message goes to plane from a ground station out of range of the aircraft the message is not received.

53/2... 52/2


CMI is over 490 miles from where Flight 93 was in pieces, destroyed when terrorists flew Flight 93 into the ground because they were too chicken to fight the Passengers. I promise you for multiple reality based reasons the VHF part of the messaging system did not reach Flight 93 with enough strength from CMI to print or make sound; plus the printer was smashed, the sound was disconnected and without power! Facts woodybox is unable to process due to belief in moronic delusions.

ACARS is like picking up a radio and calling someone; if they are not on line they don't get the message. ACARS is better than voice and more like voice-mail since the system gets the message if ACARS is working. But you have to be where they think you are for messages to arrive at the aircraft. You can't be gone.


911 truth continues to look at what they call anomalies on 911 which turn out to be their own ignorance and failed opinions based on a terminally stupid morass of hearsay, lies and poppycock.


The FBI interview should read the sound would/could happen, the pinter would/could print; not that it happened. Flight 93 was destroyed at 600 mph before the messages arrived; the transmitting station was too far away; no sound in cockpit, no printed message.

poor femr2 sees anomalies too and makes up anomalies about 911 without much effort; woodybox has the same problem as does all of 911 truth, the anti-truth movement for the gullible paranoid conspiracy theorist
 
beachnut said:
...delusional...blah
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You have WAY too much time on your hands, no useful information and clear OCD. Moving on...

If I can gather clear and definitive information on message acknowledgement mechanisms (we're not there yet) then the *anomoly* will be explained and my interest in the thread will be done with.

Until then, I'll bump the thread from time to time.

Thanks :)
 
femr2 said:
You have WAY too much time on your hands, no useful information and clear OCD. Moving on...

If I can gather clear and definitive information on message acknowledgement mechanisms (we're not there yet) then the *anomoly* will be explained and my interest in the thread will be done with.

Until then, I'll bump the thread from time to time.

Thanks :)
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The pinnacle of opulance negates your dearth.
 
femr2 said:
You have WAY too much time on your hands, no useful information and clear OCD. Moving on...
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After reading some of your posts, I believe that you may have a few extra hours laying around also... make that quite a few hours.
 
Either of you got any definitive information about the acknowledgement mechanisms within the ACARS system ?

If not, am not at all interested in your off-topic ramblings.

Definitive ACARS acknowledgement mechanism info anyone ? Anyone ?
 
Dear Beachnut,

"In addition Flight 93 was too far for the signal to reach it!"

But the message was NOT rejected by the aircraft at. 10.11. The later ones indeed were.

"...."Messages #20 to #24 were sent to the aircraft from CHIDD.
However all of the messages were rejected indicating the aircraft
did not receive them." p. 57"

A similar anomaly is with UA175:

"At 8:59, United aircraft maintenance employee Jerry Tsen sent an ACARS message to Flight 175 via the radio ground station MDT (Harrisburg), indicating that the plane was near Harrisburg, not New York."

"At 9:03, United flight dispatcher Ed Ballinger sent an ACARS message to Flight 175 when it was still in the vicinity of Harrisburg - exactly when another plane (later believed to be Flight 175) crashed into the WTC South Tower:

DDLXCXA CHIAK CH158R
.CHIAKUA 111303/ED
CMD
AN N612UA/GL MDT
- QUCHIYRUA 1UA175 BOSLAX
- MESSAGE FROM CHIDD -
HOW IS THE RIDE. ANY THING DISPATCH CAN DO FOR YOU...
CHIDD ED BALLINGER

;09111303 108575 0545

Also at 9:03, United flight dispatcher Sandy Rogers sent another ACARS message to Flight 175.

DDLXCXA CHIYR CH158R
.CHIYRUA 111303/AD
CMD
AN N612UA/GL MDT
- QUCHIYRUA 1UA175 BOSLAX
- MESSAGE FROM CHIDD -
NY APROACH LOOKIN FOR YA ON 127.4
CHIDD AD ROGERS

;09111303 108575 0546"


http://911woodybox.blogspot.com/2009/10/flight-175-was-duplicated-threefold.html
 
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