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100 Reasons Why Evolution Is Stupid (Part 1 of 11)

You already tagged the answer as a misinterpretation and a lie based on ignorance. Which makes any further discussion pointless.

Critical thinking is based upon a number of issues and a video can not encapsulate them well.

1. Theory, an approximate model of the behavior of reality.
2. Evidence that might or might not support a theory.
3. Alternate possibilities, to the theory.
4. Possible sources of error in data.
5. Discussion of how the data supports the possible candidates for the explanation of the data.
6. Discussion of how further data might be gathered to support or deny the different alternative theories.

So if say one wishes to discuss the theory of evolution, one should understand the theory if one wishes to critique it, one should understand that data that might support it.

Now for the crucial part!
If one has an alternative theory like ID it should actually be phrased as a theory, it should have falsification built into it, it should have a measurable metric and provide improved fit to the data.
So
1. There is an intelligent design to life.
2. The 'intelligence' of design needs to be defined in some way. Elegance, lack of redundancy, better redundancy, lack of worthless bits, whatever the proponent of the theory likes.
3. Proposed data needs to be evaluated to discuss the level of 'intelligent' design.
4. Alternate explanations need to be controlled for.

So again , which part of the design of life do YOU find to be intelligent? By what definition?

Note this is a discussion the ToE, not the anthropic principle, not abiogenesis, not some intuitive appeal to emotion.

So Radrook, the ball is in your court, which part of the way life exists, functions and reproduces
 
Simon39759 said:
Well, the videos below can answer that question much more efficiently than I can.


Dr Richard Dawkins proves the existence of an ID
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vC66oXIDGc8&NR=1
I think your title should be: Dawkins destroy a creationist argument.

It gets worse.

In this case, Radrook's inclusion of this video in support of ID is absolutely absurd. Tedious as it is, if one takes the time to read the comments, the OP of the video in question, DRMontague, admits that the title was chosen to be provocatively ironic. S/He in fact is a staunch supporter of the evidence-based theory that natural selection is the over-arching principle that guides speciation.
 
Evolution and belief in God are not mutually exclusive. There are people who reconcile the twain. However, from a strictly literal biblical view the two are incompatible.

And from a strictly literal bible, one is not eat shell fish, not mix fibers,not eat left overs (after sunrise), forgive debts at Yom Kippur, observe the sabbath on saturday and your wife must life in a shack while she menstruates, and you must throw away any furniture that a menstruating woman has sat upon.

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Using the driver that was still in my tool belt saved me a walk again and time.
In my mind I was thinking don’t ruin the J and what was ruined was the driver it’s like there was a barrier and the screw driver was compensating for the force that I was applying.
I was applying a slight down ward pressure and sliding it along the J channel to get it in.
The place on the driver that bent was nowhere near the J or the tip of the screwdriver.
You bent a screwdriver get over it there is nothing special about it.
Famous atheist is stumped - He avoids answering the question
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MX7Htg2HxkA&NR=1
Wow. Radrock posted an idiotic youtube video whose question I answered twenty pages ago. The man can certainly keep up with this thread like it was no tomorrow.
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And given the background of the video I'm sure that Dawkins could have also.
 
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Of course, I'm sthoopid. I don't know about his highness Richard Lenski.

He is well-regarded, but not actually royalty, and no-one is saying you are stupid not to have heard of him. You can read about his experiment here, or in Dawkin's recent book, The Greatest Show on Earth.

Very briefly, he demonstrated evolution occurring in E.coli in an elegantly constructed experiment. Different populations of E.coli, all derived from the same parent, evolved in different ways due to mutations. One line even developed the ability to metabolise citrate, which required a double mutation, where the first mutation did not apparently give any direct advantage, but no disadvantage either, so remained dormant until the second mutation happened.
 
Questions for Radrook and/or edge.

1) Is your god the IDer?
2) Why do you believe your god to be correct, and not that of other religions?
3) What evidence would convince you that evolution is correct?
4) What is the difference between micro- and macro-evolution?

1. Yes
2. He works in my life because I have crossed that line of belief
3. It is correct things adapt and evolve
4. Micro had information and a machine like way to evolve
5. Are there things we don’t know about it and god …Yes
6. He created us from dust.
7. We are still evolving
8. Are we a part of that original line? No, it was re-created, but we have to follow the rules of this world and universe so we are evolving.
 
1. Yes
2. He works in my life because I have crossed that line of belief
3. It is correct things adapt and evolve
4. Micro had information and a machine like way to evolve
5. Are there things we don’t know about it and god …Yes
6. He created us from dust.
7. We are still evolving
8. Are we a part of that original line? No, it was re-created, but we have to follow the rules of this world and universe so we are evolving.

You do realize that taffer only asked you 4 questions, don't you?

How many fingers am I holding up?
 
1. Yes
2. He works in my life because I have crossed that line of belief
3. It is correct things adapt and evolve
4. Micro had information and a machine like way to evolve
5. Are there things we don’t know about it and god …Yes
6. He created us from dust.
7. We are still evolving
8. Are we a part of that original line? No, it was re-created, but we have to follow the rules of this world and universe so we are evolving.

We were not created from dust.
 
I think Sagan said it better:
We are all star dust.

That implies that we still somehow came from dust
if you don't mind I'm going to continue to think that I came from a long line of primates, that way its still valid to blame my parents for everything
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Of course it can. Validity doesn't guarantee truth. But that's not the type of logic I am referring to.

Then what kind of logic? Give an example.

Well, in that case there is no need to go further then.

You've changed your mind about ID then? Or are you on a discussion forum without being willing to change your mind?

I am unable to find myself around in this thread for some reason and tend to lose track. It isn't done on purpose.

Then you should take the time to learn to use the site before posting. At the beginning of each thread there's a button that looks like this:
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That will take you to the first post in the thread since you last looked at it.

Or when you go to a thread start at the end and go backwards until you find your final post (or use the search function to find it) and start from there and respond to people who have taken the time to respond to you. It's only common courtesy.

Also, it's exceedingly hard to motivate myself to engage in a discussion that I know will lead nowhere. That's why I try to restrain my participation on this subject to informative feedback only.

Think of how that sounds though. This is a discussion forum, where people engage in and expect to engage in discussion. Imagine you are with a group of your friends, and someone every few minutes comes by and interjects something into the conversation they think is relevant, but doesn't actually engage, just wanders off and ignores responses to their interjections. Then comes back and does it again, thinking their contributions valuable and informative, then leaves again, not providing any basis or context or anything for their interjections.

Sounds pretty annoying when put that way eh?

In fact it's a common tactic used by forum and Internet trolls, swing by, write something known to get a response, leave and let the responses get more and more as the troll ignores them all, then come back and post something else.

I'm not saying you are trying to do this, but when the end result is the same I think one has to choose either to really engage, or refrain from making the interjections in the first place.

If that's the impression I gave I apologize.

Fair enough.


Alright so you agree that most mutations are neutral. Now, what happens when one isn't?

Let's say there's a mutation that causes the heart to be very weak, so weak the individual dies before reproducing.

Let's say there's another mutation that causes something else, say the leg bones to be slightly longer so that individual can run faster, meaning it can catch its prey a bit better than the others.

Now between those two examples, which one is going to have their genetic code passed on, and which one isn't?


Well, the Bible tells us that mankind underwent physical and mental deterioration asfter the fall.

It does? Where does it say this?

So the junk DNA could be explained away as part of that effect.

But that doesn't explain anything. First, on the level of 90% of the genetic code is junk DNA, how could mental and physical deterioration cause 90% of the genetic code to become useless? Did we have 10 heads and 20 arms before? The code to grow an arm or a brain is still necessary regardless of whether the arm is strong or weak.

Second, part of a creationists and ID'ers argument usually involves no new information in DNA, now you're saying that the amount of DNA can increase 10 fold in a few thousand years? Baloney, if it was increasing that fast we'd still be able to detect it.

Third, did every organism on earth have this? Because the amount of junk DNA varies wildly depending on the organism. Oh, and the amount and content of the junk DNA just happens to coincide EXACTLY with what evolution predicts. If the DNA had just become messed up from the fall, why would it all be messed up in such a way that the pattern of the noise changes exactly if the animals were all descended from each other?

Either god is being deceptive, or evolution is the correct answer.

Evolution and belief in God are not mutually exclusive. There are people who reconcile the twain. However, from a strictly literal biblical view the two are incompatible.

A literal Biblical view invalidates itself, there are many discrepancies and contradictions in the Bible already.
 
You bent a screwdriver get over it there is nothing special about it.

Wow. Radrock posted an idiotic youtube video whose question I answered twenty pages ago. The man can certainly keep up with this thread like it was no tomorrow.
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And given the background of the video I'm sure that Dawkins could have also.

Go ahead and try to bend one then get back to me.
Try on one that's about 6 inches or 7 inches long, you can even step on it when you try.
See how tough it is.
 
A literal Biblical view invalidates itself, there are many discrepancies and contradictions in the Bible already.

Most Christians don't take a literal view of the bible. Whether you think it is logical or not is another matter, but most Christians are not creationists, at least outside of the US.
 

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