Thermate + steel having the same characteristic corrosion as found by Barnett et al?

[ImANiceGuy]

for what? a criticism based on reality?

'Whatchotakinboutwillis' joke; but i was just joikng myself...

 

[RedIbis]

No, you're wrong. He was replying to niceguys post, you butted in with a question that didn't apply, and he told you to read again. You didn't follow the converstation.

Really? So even though it says:

Originally Posted by RedIbis

He was "replying to niceguys(sic) post"?

And to avoid any confusion and get funk to actually address the question, I said,

"I'll rephrase my question,"

It's charming the way you guys run to each other's defense, but funk is either avoiding the hole he dug himself into by not answering a very straightforward question, or he's asking me to believe that by responding to my post he was responding to someone else's and I'm supposed to know that.

 

[Senenmut]

Huh? How is this an answer to my post?

Mac: How do you use thermite/thermate in a vertical application?

havent you watched that jesse ventura clip of that guy painting on nanothermite onto a steel column. or those "red chip" nanothermite that jones found (considering they came layered) could have been used like tape to go around a connection or a spot that needed alittle extra help to fail. then spray some blazeshild over the stuff for alittle extra kick.

nist assumes sample k-16 was in the prone position when the corrosion occured. think about it in the vertical position and there you have it. just like the fema bpat reported:
"It is also possible that the phenomenon started prior to collapse and accelerated the weakening of the steel structure."

Did this interesting piece of corroded steel have previously melted iron covering it? Did any of the recovered steel have previously melted iron on them? No. Therm-whatever does it's "work" with molten iron. No melted iron on the steel columns...no therm-whatever.

what did the corrosive "slag" consist of......

 

[TexasJack]

Really? So even though it says:

Originally Posted by RedIbis

He was "replying to niceguys(sic) post"?

And to avoid any confusion and get funk to actually address the question, I said,

"I'll rephrase my question,"

It's charming the way you guys run to each other's defense, but funk is either avoiding the hole he dug himself into by not answering a very straightforward question, or he's asking me to believe that by responding to my post he was responding to someone else's and I'm supposed to know that.

Your question had nothing to do with the topic of what was posted, live with it and admit your error.

It's charming how you use the "defense" excuse when you can't deal with your own inadequacies.

 

[Macgyver1968]

havent you watched that jesse ventura clip of that guy painting on nanothermite onto a steel column.

Yes I have. He painted the top of a horizontal column..where it would stay in place, rather than running off. You also might note that the nano-thermite paint did nothing to the column.

or those "red chip" nanothermite that jones found (considering they came layered) could have been used like tape to go around a connection or a spot that needed alittle extra help to fail. then spray some blazeshild over the stuff for alittle extra kick.

And in a vertical application, as soon as the thermite was ignited, it would become liquid iron, and would run off. Here's an image of the aftermath of thermite reaction...note the "stalactite" of previous molten iron. Note the droplets of previously molten iron inside the pot. Note the pools of previous molten iron.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_zIzmtkioa5w/SFLF75MFHjI/AAAAAAAAAbQ/6Zv4_blRquI/s400/thermite-8.jpg

If thermite was used, you would see similar molten formations on the steel...we don't.

nist assumes sample k-16 was in the prone position when the corrosion occured. think about it in the vertical position and there you have it. just like the fema bpat reported:
"It is also possible that the phenomenon started prior to collapse and accelerated the weakening of the steel structure."

And there you have what? The position of the steel in the rubble pile wouldn't have made much difference in the corrosive damage. The position of the steel in the tower would greatly affect the effectiveness of a thermite application if the thermite was just "painted on". Here is an image of the aftermath of a thermite reaction on a vertical steel column, where a large square cone held the thermite in place.

http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o233/CameronFox/thermite.jpg

Note the two things that the large volume of thermite did to the column...Jack and Squat.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkODHlDQpeU&feature=related

175 pounds of thermite did nothing to a column smaller than those in the WTC....how could a thin, painted-on coating do anything? Notice how brightly the thermite burns...why don't we see flares like this all over the building before the collapse?

 

[funk de fino]

Post #45 smart guy. This is what you replied to. No one will the read the following and assume you were responding to another post. You said something stupid, own up to it and move on. It went like this:

Originally Posted by RedIbis
I'll rephrase my question,

If, as you say, "all the steel was examined by forensic investigators" were they able to distinguish between steel from the towers and steel from WTC 7?

funk de fino:
Are you too dumb to see that it doesnt matter?

Clearly, I cannot be the dumb one if you are the one who does not understand my original post and makes up strawmen for it. My original point was the false claim. Yiou tried to make up crap later. I told you to read my post again.

 

[funk de fino]

Really? So even though it says:

Originally Posted by RedIbis

He was "replying to niceguys(sic) post"?

And to avoid any confusion and get funk to actually address the question, I said,

"I'll rephrase my question,"

It's charming the way you guys run to each other's defense, but funk is either avoiding the hole he dug himself into by not answering a very straightforward question, or he's asking me to believe that by responding to my post he was responding to someone else's and I'm supposed to know that.

Your attempt to rephrase an irrelevant question was a waste of time. You are wrong on this. You quoted me first. I told you to read it again because you misunderstood it. Deliberately by the looks of it.

 

[Senenmut]

Jones didn't prove that his sample did, either. He showed secondary electron images of one sample, then burned a completely different sample and showed the results. Epic failure.

so your saying that the iron microspheres were already in the chips?

To answer your other asinine questions, the paint in question was the anti-corrosive coating applied to all of the major structural members in the twin towers. The organic binder used in the coating combusts at approximately 400 C, and the pigment used iron oxide as a colorant. This is probably the 10th time I've had to repeat this.

i dont even think sunstealer would agree with ya there. remember that some of the bilayerd chips had more than one layer. the gray layer had a high iron and oxygen content and one chip even had 5 layers.

 

[CORed]

but your forgetting something skeptic scott in taiwan...thermate + steel shows the same charactistic corrosion as found by Barnett et al!

Nobody's come close to proving that. All we have is a quote from a known liar in a blog.

 

[CORed]

so your saying that the iron microspheres were already in the chips?


i dont even think sunstealer would agree with ya there. remember that some of the bilayerd chips had more than one layer. the gray layer had a high iron and oxygen content and one chip even had 5 layers.

So you've never heard of a piece of steel getting multiple coats of different kinds of paint over several years? Really?

 

[Senenmut]

Yes I have. He painted the top of a horizontal column..where it would stay in place, rather than running off. You also might note that the nano-thermite paint did nothing to the column.

i think he just painted on 1 layer. anyway, i would also put blazeshield over the painted on thermite or any other thermitic material. take for instance this observation:
"the fireproofing used to protect the WTC steel has “melted into a glassy residue."

maybe the blazeshild would keep the reaction from running off longer and attack the steel more. plus, i would assume it would force the thermite toward the steel instead of wasting all that energy on nothing.

If thermite was used, you would see similar molten formations on the steel...we don't.

what did the "slag" consist of?

 

[Senenmut]

So you've never heard of a piece of steel getting multiple coats of different kinds of paint over several years? Really?

sure buddy!! especially the gray layer high in iron and oxygen content. steel members always need some more of that between the primer.

 

[beachnut]

sure buddy!! especially the gray layer high in iron and oxygen content. steel members always need some more of that between the primer.

Oops!

Oxide Iron Black 722 Applications of iron oxide black: Industrial coatings, antirust paint and priming paint;

anti-rust paints made with iron oxide are in gray - how long did you research paint before making a false statement of woo?

The perfect record of 911 truth being a cult of people who make up lies based on ignorance is not broken.

Iron oxide! Know what iron oxide is? Do you check anything before you post nonsense? Why is Jones insane on thermite? When did he go nuts?

 

[The Almond]

so your saying that the iron microspheres were already in the chips?

Did I say that? Let me check...Nope, I didn't. Please return when you're ready to discuss the substance of my post.

i dont even think sunstealer would agree with ya there. remember that some of the bilayerd chips had more than one layer. the gray layer had a high iron and oxygen content and one chip even had 5 layers.

So what?

Also, nice job ignoring this:

Let me ask you a question: Have you ever taken sunflower seeds, dipped them in 18 M acetic acid, then coated them in silver paint, then put them in an oven at 1000 C, and analyzed the ash? Why not?

Don't bother answering, that was a rhetorical question. The reason is, the above described process won't tell you anything about the sunflower seeds. Their reaction to acetic acid is trivial, what they look like when they're silver is meaningless, the ash product contains very little of the original structure and is equally meaningless. If you want to prove it's a sunflower seed, you can do a DNA test. If you want to determine the viability of the seed, you can plant it.

Where am I going with this? No one has ever shown that you can determine if a material is "thermitic" by separating it out with a magnet from an amalgamated dust sample, soaking it in MEK and then setting it on fire. Jones is using a meaningless process, pointing to the ash and saying, "See? Because you can't reproduce it using Home Depot brand latex paint, the material must be thermite!!!" More to the point, if Jones wants to prove that his material is thermite, he has to do the appropriate tests to eliminate the contender materials. To date, he's done nothing that warrants anything other than ridicule.

This, however:

havent you watched that jesse ventura clip of that guy painting on nanothermite onto a steel column. or those "red chip" nanothermite that jones found (considering they came layered) could have been used like tape to go around a connection or a spot that needed alittle extra help to fail. then spray some blazeshild over the stuff for alittle extra kick.

shows cognitive dissonance far beyond what I've ever encountered. Please read and understand the following sentence:

Painting "thermite" on steel and igniting it does not raise the temperature of the steel sufficiently to cause major structural failure.

 

[The Almond]

sure buddy!! especially the gray layer high in iron and oxygen content. steel members always need some more of that between the primer.

Micaceous Iron Oxide

 

[beachnut]

Thermite paint!? If Jones tested this paint he would come up with thermite!

http://www.huaxiazhiqi.com/english/ProductShow.asp?ArticleID=831

Composition From alkyd resins, additives, mica, iron oxide, aluminum powder paste and other anti-rust paint, organic solvent composition of the ash cloud iron Alkyd Topcoat.

BINGO - Jones finds thermite! lol, in paint!

If Jones tested his diaper when he comes up with his best woo, he would come up with thermite.

Jones is insane with his 911 issues; he is nuts on 911 and can't form a reality based conclusion.

 

[Senenmut]

Oops!

anti-rust paints made with iron oxide are in gray - how long did you research paint before making a false statement of woo?

The perfect record of 911 truth being a cult of people who make up lies based on ignorance is not broken.

Iron oxide! Know what iron oxide is? Do you check anything before you post nonsense? Why is Jones insane on thermite? When did he go nuts?

considering nist told us what the primer was and was made with, no mention of that one from what i remember.

 

[Macgyver1968]

i think he just painted on 1 layer.

How many layers would it take? How many different layers did Jones observe in his paint chip sample? 175 pounds of thermite did nothing to a column...why would a couple of thin layers do anything more?

anyway, i would also put blazeshield over the painted on thermite or any other thermitic material. take for instance this observation:
"the fireproofing used to protect the WTC steel has “melted into a glassy residue."

maybe the blazeshild would keep the reaction from running off longer and attack the steel more. plus, i would assume it would force the thermite toward the steel instead of wasting all that energy on nothing.

What would spray on fire retardant do? If it's sprayed on to the painted on thermite...when the thermite turns to liquid, it doesn't have anything to stick to anymore and slides off with the rest of the molten iron. What you assume is simply wrong.

what did the "slag" consist of?

What "slag" are you referring to?

 

[Senenmut]

Did I say that? Let me check...Nope, I didn't. Please return when you're ready to discuss the substance of my post.

do you think the iron sphere's were there or NOT there before heating to 430c?

Also, nice job ignoring this:

you stated "dont bother answering"
but-
i do agree with you.

This, however:


shows cognitive dissonance far beyond what I've ever encountered. Please read and understand the following sentence:

Painting "thermite" on steel and igniting it does not raise the temperature of the steel sufficiently to cause major structural failure.

like i posted earlier, i havent seen one experiment done with multiple layers of painted on thermitic material surrounded by a thick layer of blazeshield ( i think it was 2 or 3 inches thick). or your typical thermite or thermate with a thick layer of blazeshiled. also, considering those "red chips' came in multiple layers, a few hundred layers + a sulfur layer here and there surrounded by blazeshield might also do some damage. IMO, that would help keep the energy closer to the steel. if i had the material, id love to do it myself!! got any to donate?

 

[Senenmut]

Thermite paint!? If Jones tested this paint he would come up with thermite!

http://www.huaxiazhiqi.com/english/ProductShow.asp?ArticleID=831

BINGO - Jones finds thermite! lol, in paint!

If Jones tested his diaper when he comes up with his best woo, he would come up with thermite.

Jones is insane with his 911 issues; he is nuts on 911 and can't form a reality based conclusion.

can you order it with nano sized particles!!!