Thermate + steel having the same characteristic corrosion as found by Barnett et al?

[carlitos]

tfk had a lab that was ready to definitively test any and all chips for thermite. Cost was ~$150, as I recall. Surely Jones and Haritt have that kind of scratch?

 

[Senenmut]

Because the chemical and physical processes bear no relationship to each other.

your going to have to do alittle bit better than that!!!

 

[Dave Rogers]

I am asking you why thermate would NOT have the same corrosion characteristics as the piece described by barnett et al.

Because it would melt the steel rather than dissolving it. The result would be rounding rather than sharpening of edges. That's my best estimate until someone does the experiment and publishes the results. Anecdotes don't cut it.

Dave

 

[Dave Rogers]

your going to have to do alittle bit better than that!!!

No, he's not. Jones is, because virtually nobody takes him seriously.

Dave

 

[twinstead]

Yes, senenmut, you are debating the wrong people. You should be pressuring Jones to do what he needs to do to convince real scientists and law enforcement that he has found evidence of foul play at the WTC.

 

[funk de fino]

So although you quoted my post, I was supposed to know that you were actually referring to someone else's post. Ok, that explains it. Next time I'll try to employ my psychic abilities, suspend what is the normal conventions of dialogue and try to be as smart as you.

Post # 22 smart guy. I replied to that. This was what the post was in relation to. You quoted me first.

It does not get any more simple. Jeez, what a fail.

 

[Macgyver1968]

could have been to destory a connection....or could have been just to weaken it in a particular area....... or depending on which direction one would want the steel to bend, just apply it to one side.
take for instance:

"One piece Dr. Astaneh-Asl saw was a charred horizontal I-beam from 7 World Trade Center, a 47-story skyscraper that collapsed from fire eight hours after the attacks. The beam, so named because its cross-section looks like a capital I, had clearly endured searing temperatures. Parts of the flat top of the I, once five-eighths of an inch thick, had vaporized.

Less clear was whether the beam had been charred after the collapse, as it lay in the pile of burning rubble, or whether it had been engulfed in the fire that led to the building's collapse, which would provide a more telling clue.

The answer lay in the beam's twisted shape. As weight pushed down, the center portion had buckled outward.

''This tells me it buckled while it was attached to the column,'' not as it fell, Dr. Astaneh-Asl said, adding, ''It had burned first, then buckled.''

The piece your are referring to is a vertical column. I asked HOW therm-whatever could be used in a vertical column. The end product of therm-whatever reaction is molten iron. Molten iron is a liquid...it flows. If you apply it to vertical column and ignite it...all of the molten iron just runs down the sides of the column..just like wax down a candle. It takes time for the molten iron to transfer it's heat, and must be held in place. Look at any demonstration of thermite on Youtube...the thermite is contained in some kind of pot or mold. None of the columns recovered at Ground Zero are covered in molten iron. No columns covered in once-molten iron..means no thermite.

Thermite transfers it's heat much to slowly to be used in a controlled demolition..as it requires split second timing. It's the reason no demo company uses it. It's primary use is welding things together...not cutting them apart.

 

[BigAl]

Because the chemical and physical processes bear no relationship to each other

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your going to have to do alittle bit better than that!!!

Why ?

A blind metallurgist could tell the difference by feel.

The chemical and physical processes bear no relationship to each other. The results bear no similarity.

 

[Scott Sommers]

I go away and come back 8 hours later and there's no sign of answer to my conference challemge. What's the matter? Senenmut, are you afraid of something? If you really want this to be taken seriously, if you really want to be talking with scientific ad legal exoperts, if yiou want a new investigation, this is what you have to do.

So maybe you don't mind being laughed at. Maybe that's what you really want. There are kids who want attention so badly they're willing to get beaten up everyday. Why not adults who want to be humiliated?

 

[Senenmut]

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Why ?

A blind metallurgist could tell the difference by feel.

The chemical and physical processes bear no relationship to each other. The results bear no similarity.

iron, oxygen, sulfur....

 

[Senenmut]

I go away and come back 8 hours later and there's no sign of answer to my conference challemge. What's the matter? Senenmut, are you afraid of something? If you really want this to be taken seriously, if you really want to be talking with scientific ad legal exoperts, if yiou want a new investigation, this is what you have to do.

So maybe you don't mind being laughed at. Maybe that's what you really want. There are kids who want attention so badly they're willing to get beaten up everyday. Why not adults who want to be humiliated?

ive been alittle busy. that sounds like a great idea. ill have to look more into it.

 

[Senenmut]

The piece your are referring to is a vertical column. I asked HOW therm-whatever could be used in a vertical column. The end product of therm-whatever reaction is molten iron. Molten iron is a liquid...it flows. If you apply it to vertical column and ignite it...all of the molten iron just runs down the sides of the column..just like wax down a candle. It takes time for the molten iron to transfer it's heat, and must be held in place. Look at any demonstration of thermite on Youtube...the thermite is contained in some kind of pot or mold. None of the columns recovered at Ground Zero are covered in molten iron. No columns covered in once-molten iron..means no thermite.

Thermite transfers it's heat much to slowly to be used in a controlled demolition..as it requires split second timing. It's the reason no demo company uses it. It's primary use is welding things together...not cutting them apart.

there's an interesting piece of steel that fema looked at. nist also did some lab work on it. it was a perimeter column that they say lay in the prone position in the debris pile while the corrosive attack occured. well, just flip the prone position to the vertical and there you have it. check out the ncstar 1-3c damage and fairure modes pdf file. the samples name is K-16.

 

[T.A.M.]

Yes, senenmut, you are debating the wrong people. You should be pressuring Jones to do what he needs to do to convince real scientists and law enforcement that he has found evidence of foul play at the WTC.

He doesn't want to press Jones for those answers, to submit his samples for independent review, because deep down, HE KNOWS what the results will be. Jones and his paper will be proven frauds, and it will be one less piece of rotten ridiculous "evidence" for the TM to lay their hats on.

The members of the TM LOVE the ambiguity/unproven aspect of Jones results. Left unproven (as false), his paper works perfectly as a talking point to swindle the unsuspecting.

TAM

 

[funk de fino]

there's an interesting piece of steel that fema looked at. nist also did some lab work on it. it was a perimeter column that they say lay in the prone position in the debris pile while the corrosive attack occured. well, just flip the prone position to the vertical and there you have it. check out the ncstar 1-3c damage and fairure modes pdf file. the samples name is K-16.

That is dumb.

 

[Scott Sommers]

ive been alittle busy. that sounds like a great idea. ill have to look more into it.

Ya I'm sure. And what about all your scientists Truthers? Dr. Steve never thought of this one? Tony Z? Dickie G. doesn't it bother you that all your scientists leaders are busy talking to college newspapers but none of will go near a conference of real scientists? Or is it that they've tried and the real scientists just aren't interested?

Put pressure on them. Tell Dickie G. this is what you want. we keep asking Tony Z. to try this, but he's chickened out so far.

Everyone here knows why this hasn't happened. And I suspect you do too. Truthers have nothing to say that real scientists have any interest in. They would have been talking to you by now if they did.

 

[RedIbis]

Post # 22 smart guy. I replied to that. This was what the post was in relation to. You quoted me first.

It does not get any more simple. Jeez, what a fail.

Post #45 smart guy. This is what you replied to. No one will the read the following and assume you were responding to another post. You said something stupid, own up to it and move on. It went like this:

Originally Posted by RedIbis
I'll rephrase my question,

If, as you say, "all the steel was examined by forensic investigators" were they able to distinguish between steel from the towers and steel from WTC 7?

funk de fino:
Are you too dumb to see that it doesnt matter?

 

[TexasJack]

Post #45 smart guy. This is what you replied to. No one will the read the following and assume you were responding to another post. You said something stupid, own up to it and move on. It went like this:

Originally Posted by RedIbis
I'll rephrase my question,

If, as you say, "all the steel was examined by forensic investigators" were they able to distinguish between steel from the towers and steel from WTC 7?

funk de fino:
Are you too dumb to see that it doesnt matter?

No, you're wrong. He was replying to niceguys post, you butted in with a question that didn't apply, and he told you to read again. You didn't follow the converstation.

 

[Macgyver1968]

there's an interesting piece of steel that fema looked at. nist also did some lab work on it. it was a perimeter column that they say lay in the prone position in the debris pile while the corrosive attack occured. well, just flip the prone position to the vertical and there you have it. check out the ncstar 1-3c damage and fairure modes pdf file. the samples name is K-16.

Huh? How is this an answer to my post?

Mac: How do you use thermite/thermate in a vertical application?

Senenmut: I like turtles!

Did this interesting piece of corroded steel have previously melted iron covering it? Did any of the recovered steel have previously melted iron on them? No. Therm-whatever does it's "work" with molten iron. No melted iron on the steel columns...no therm-whatever.

 

[BillyRayValentine]

Post #45 smart guy. This is what you replied to. No one will the read the following and assume you were responding to another post. You said something stupid, own up to it and move on. It went like this:

Originally Posted by RedIbis
I'll rephrase my question,

If, as you say, "all the steel was examined by forensic investigators" were they able to distinguish between steel from the towers and steel from WTC 7?

funk de fino:
Are you too dumb to see that it doesnt matter?

Sorry, have to weigh in here. Stuff like this completely baffles me. Clearly, CLEARLY, this whole to-do was precipitated by you reading and failing to understand the point of message #22.

You are clearly lost, which is OK. I mean seriously, we all have brain farts from time to time. But you must have an inkling that you're lost, at least to some degree, so why on earth would you get indignant and start hurling accusations of stupidity?

Stop embarrassing yourself. You are 100%, precisely wrong here. Nothing ambiguous about it.

 

[9/11 Chewy Defense]

RedIBis won't admit that they're wrong. So without further making him/herself look more like a fool I'll simply say: "You've got no evidence to prove s***! So why bother?"