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100 Reasons Why Evolution Is Stupid (Part 1 of 11)

I was planning to write a post on why creationism is stupid, using some strawman displaying complete ignorance of the subject.

Problem is that I cannot come up with anything sillier than the fundies already are arguing.

You could just distill down their logic:

Science can be wrong and I don't understand evolution, therefore evolution is wrong, and I refuse to look at any evidence to the contrary!

DH's logic follows pretty much the same trend. He doesn't understand evolution, but sees a lot of people accepting evolution, and says it's wrong just because a bunch of people accept it. Yes, science can be wrong, but that doesn't necessarily mean it is wrong. He fails to grasp that the theory of evolution was derived just like any other theory (gravitation, electromagnetism, thermodynamics, etc.), I don't understand why he has a double standard when calling 'science' out on it.
 
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I have 623 posts here. Do you really think I would waste my time trolling to such an extent - without having been banned?

No. I'm not trolling.


You think that's a significant number of posts? Check out this troll's accomplishments. You've got a long way to go if you want to reach some sort of ubertroll status.
 
I was planning to write a post on why creationism is stupid, using some strawman displaying complete ignorance of the subject.
Sorry but Creationism isn't very easy to strawman. It's explanations are so stupid, it looks absurd by itself.

Problem is that I cannot come up with anything sillier than the fundies already are arguing.
I would suggest you write a post about why Jesus was a homosexual and was having a lover's spat with Judas when he got nailed by those gay Romans instead. Then go about making claims based on fan-fiction written by retarded floor sweepers, prison inmates, swedish porn, Japanese comics and refuse to read the bible or anything related to the claim.
 
Thats not really his doctoral dissertation, is it?

Please, please tell me it isn't.......

Sorry, but it is. Really.

I was afraid you were going to say that. And he really was a high school science teacher at one point?

Madallch, I have read this post, most of which I have removed because I am trying to concentrate on the Big Bang. That was the first point in the video. I understand that what you posted wasn't off topic with most of this thread but it is with the OP. What we have been talking about as far as dogs and the Biblical kind is increasingly off topic of the OP, so I have to pass.

David, your title of the thread is about Evolution, not Cosmology. You're off topic.
 
Clarification - I'm interested in "science" only in that I see some problems with evolution and am interested in it possibly being religious in nature - and more importantly perhaps, peoples reaction to the religious nature in their belief in evolution.

I have nothing against science, but am not at all interested in it in and of itself. In fact it bores the piss out of me.
Clarification- you are not interested in discussing evolution.

You do not understand evolution, so you dismiss it contemptuously. You see that other people do not dismiss it, so you assume it must be because we have a religious faith in it (because it's inconceivable that anybody else could understand what you do not).

We try to explain it to you in terms you will understand, but you can't be bothered to read the explanations and analogies we offer because the subject bores the piss out of you. You repeat your misunderstandings and errors. You are shocked when we continue to disagree with you, and you once again chalk this up to a religion-like faith in science.

You get long and informative answers- you ignore them because they bore the piss out of you.

You get short answers criticizing you for not reading the long ones- you take these as personal attacks.

And you wonder why people consider you a troll?

Seriously, your time could be better spent by going into a church, temple, or synagogue and demanding to know why the people there worship dog farts. If they explain that they don't, ignore them and insist that they answer your original question. Keep this up until you get the answer you want. Have fun.
 
Apparently Creatards love to make up lies about this symposium. I await Davey-boy's "educated" explanation about this symposium and the decades of follow up research that came from it.

So, I've been reading a couple of reviews of Radiocarbon Variations and Absolute Chronology: Proceedings of the Twelfth Nobel Symposium Held at the Institute of Physics at Uppsala University, ed. Ingrid U. Olsson, and I can't figure out why the creationists love it so much, either. My understanding of science is limited to non-existent, but the gist of what I'm getting from the reviews is: "Radiocarbon dating can be off a bit--say, a century of so, and we should be aware of that, and check it against other forms of dating, like bristlecone pine dendrochronology." It seems to me that this is an example of the ongoing rejiggering that occurs in science: dating systems are refined and new dating systems are discovered. I imagine there has been further refinement since the early 70s. I didn't find anything in the reviews that suggested, "OMG! all our dates are off by tens of thousands of years! There must be an intelligent creator!" Perhaps David can explain what I'm missing.

By the way, the reviews are by Robert McC. Adams in Journal of Near Eastern Studies, vol. 32, iss. 1/2 (Jan.-Apr. 1973): 253-6, and Rainer Berger in Science, ns, vol. 173, no. 3997 (Aug. 13, 1971): 620-1. Both available on JSTOR.
 
Sorry but Creationism isn't very easy to strawman. It's explanations are so stupid, it looks absurd by itself.

I would suggest you write a post about why Jesus was a homosexual and was having a lover's spat with Judas when he got nailed by those gay Romans instead. Then go about making claims based on fan-fiction written by retarded floor sweepers, prison inmates, swedish porn, Japanese comics and refuse to read the bible or anything related to the claim.

Thank for the input, but I cannot accept that stupid fiction about the Romans being involved at all. Everyone knows that Jesus was way before the Roman empire, and that it was Boadicea that was crucified.
 
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So, I've been reading a couple of reviews of Radiocarbon Variations and Absolute Chronology: Proceedings of the Twelfth Nobel Symposium Held at the Institute of Physics at Uppsala University, ed. Ingrid U. Olsson, and I can't figure out why the creationists love it so much, either. My understanding of science is limited to non-existent, but the gist of what I'm getting from the reviews is: "Radiocarbon dating can be off a bit--say, a century of so, and we should be aware of that, and check it against other forms of dating, like bristlecone pine dendrochronology." It seems to me that this is an example of the ongoing rejiggering that occurs in science: dating systems are refined and new dating systems are discovered. I imagine there has been further refinement since the early 70s. I didn't find anything in the reviews that suggested, "OMG! all our dates are off by tens of thousands of years! There must be an intelligent creator!" Perhaps David can explain what I'm missing.

By the way, the reviews are by Robert McC. Adams in Journal of Near Eastern Studies, vol. 32, iss. 1/2 (Jan.-Apr. 1973): 253-6, and Rainer Berger in Science, ns, vol. 173, no. 3997 (Aug. 13, 1971): 620-1. Both available on JSTOR.
This symposium basically brought up issues with the early radiocarbon dating and the variations that could change the sensitivity of the dating method. It has lead to multiple additional research that has advanced radiocarbon dating which has been confirmed with other methods.

Here is a great read. I found it a few months back when one of the other Creatards brought up this whiny argument. It is a review of the history of Radiocarbon dating published in the Journal of Research of the National Institute of Standards and Technology.
http://nvl.nist.gov/pub/nistpubs/jres/109/2/j92cur.pdf
 
Thank for the input, but I cannot accept that stupid fiction about the Romans being involved at all. Everyone knows the Jesus was way before the Roman empire, and that it was Boadicea that was crucified.
According to Bob McBob, the fella currently in ward C of the psychiatric hospital and self proclaimed great Biblical scholar, Jesus was caught having a tryst with his own brother James when Judas walked in on them. He was insulted for not being invited. He stormed off and tried to tell Mary but both Marys were busy with their own...activities. So he told the Romans instead.

Who needs this reading and scholarship thing. It says so on a youtube video. It must be true.:rolleyes:
 
This symposium basically brought up issues with the early radiocarbon dating and the variations that could change the sensitivity of the dating method. It has lead to multiple additional research that has advanced radiocarbon dating which has been confirmed with other methods.

Here is a great read. I found it a few months back when one of the other Creatards brought up this whiny argument. It is a review of the history of Radiocarbon dating published in the Journal of Research of the National Institute of Standards and Technology.
http://nvl.nist.gov/pub/nistpubs/jres/109/2/j92cur.pdf

Pfft, NIST? The same NIST that put out that 9-11 report? Why should I trust a bunch of government shills? I bet they're in the pocket of Big-14C.;)
 
As a so called "religious" person I can tell you that what I object to is the notion that the theory of evolution is fact when it could be wrong. How do you explain this?

How does that make the theory of evolution different from anything else? Anything that humans accept as "fact" could be wrong--we could all be brains in a vat dreaming everything, for example.

For practical purposes, though, most people accept some things as pretty well proven to be true, rely on them and call them "facts," for lack of a better word. We couldn't function otherwise.

For most people who don't have an emotional need to believe otherwise, evolution through natural selection seems the most reasonable explanation for why animals are the way they are. The evidence just keeps mounting and is available for anyone to read in textbooks, websites and other written materials. At a certain point, it becomes pointless to keep pussy-footing around and not use the term "fact." I mean, some flat-earthers or hollow-earthers might disagree that it's a "fact" that the earth is round and reasonably solid, but the average person can't be expected to keep an open mind on those points forever.

Even so, if new evidence produces a better explanation for both the new evidence and the old, then the "fact" of evolution would be rejected, just as other scientific "facts" have been rejected before.

What about religious people who claim they have "facts" about god, about ancient history, about life after death, etc.? Not only do they make claims just as strong, they usually do so without any humility: their "facts" are true because they know they are, are not to be questioned, and are eternal.

Pride and fear of uncertainty are inevitable in human nature, but religions seem to encourage them and glorify them, while the scientific method is designed to minimize them and work around them.
 
I wish there was a smiley face where it's sticking its fingers in its ears and screaming

I was bored, so here you go:

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