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100 Reasons Why Evolution Is Stupid (Part 1 of 11)

I addressed the OP point-by-point in post #94. By this time, DH likely has me on "ignore", since he resorted to malicious name-calling and verbal abuse in posts which have now been extracted from this thread, and cannot see that his assertions about no one responding to the OP are flat wrong. Anyway, here's what I wrote, in case anyone would like to quote it in an effort to get DH to see them:

But I happen to be up to the challenge. Let's see how it goes. I need to say at the outset that I am not a scientist, but I do have some undergrad training in anthropology and a lifelong interest in the evolution of the human species.

First I'll begin by addressing the claims you derive from Hovind's video:



To begin, the rendering of "evolutionism" as a religion is unsubstantiated at best and a malicious lie at worst. Evolutionary science is as empirically based as any scientific discipline, and is supported by findings over the last 150+ years in such diverse, independent fields as geology, paleontology, anthropology, biochemistry and genetics -- all of which would have to be involved in some kind of global conspiracy in order for evolution to be in error.

Religion, specifically the kind that Hovind peddles, is based on unsupported texts written thousands of years ago by Bronze Age philosophers who had no understanding of the scientific method and very little grasp of the realities, forces and principles of the natural world. How could they have?

Even if their work is divinely inspired, which could not be proven on an evidential basis, though I'm willing to accept it for argument's sake, clearly God would have been talking to them in the parlance of their times, and couched in language and terms that they could understand with their limited worldview and perspective. In short, the authors of the Bible could have had no grasp of evolution, so God spoke to them, if "He" spoke to them at all, in symbolic language.

This makes it impossible to assemble a scientifically accurate picture of the world from the poetic proclomations of the Bible, though that is what Hovind and other fundamentalists wish to do.



I'm gratified to know that. We may be able to discover some common ground after all.



This is a purely semantic, meaning language-based, argument. The kind of evolution we're discussing here is biological evolution of organisms through random mutation and natural selection. That phrase is too long to write every time we want to discuss it, so in short hand we just say "evolution".

All those other forms of evolution are unique and specific to their discipline, and have nothing to do with biological evolution of organisms through random mutation and natural selection. Hovind is trying to introduce doubt and sow confusion by conflating what we can consider homonyms -- words that sound alike but have different meanings.



Since this has nothing to do with biological evolution of organisms through random mutation and natural selection, I hope that you will agree to table this and/or address it in a thread regarding the origin of the cosmos and the Big Bang theory.

What's next?
 
If people want to educate Dave, then stop with the personal attacks and stick to the evidence. It seems he is just responding to the former.
Ooo would you shut up with the concern. I past that point five pages ago after one of these creationists though I was calling them an idiot after I asked a question.
Clarification - I'm interested in "science" only in that I see some problems with evolution and am interested in it possibly being religious in nature - and more importantly perhaps, peoples reaction to the religious nature in their belief in evolution.

I have nothing against science, but am not at all interested in it in and of itself. In fact it bores the piss out of me.
ANSWER MY QUESTION. If all you have to go by is whether or not something doesn't make sense by your "gut" (Read: The Big Bang) are you willing to discount it? Or is it just the "strange" things that "involve" evolution that disturb you?
 
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You are talking about cats, correct? I would doubt it because mutation tends to be more harmful than good by far.

No. You are wrong about that. Most mutations (>95%) are neither harmful nor beneficial.

You don't have the first clue about what you're talking about.
 
I addressed the OP point-by-point in what is now post #94. I've got no response.

I have a lot of posts to respond to. When I get to the end (assuming that there will be an end) I will post the second part of the video for discussion. I am trying . . . real hard . . . to not respond to stuid, off topic posts or personal attacks. At the end if someone says I didn't respond to them I say that is because it was one of those, or I must have missed it and will examine it.

In your paticular case I suspect that I didn't respond to that particular post (#94) because you are the one who sent me a PM and then posted my private response. You are being punished for that. Three strikes and you go on ignore.

There are a lot of people I have to deal with and it is possible that I have mistaken you. In that case I apoligize and will respond to that specific post. Send me a PM telling me that you were not the one in question and I will respond after checking myself if what you say is true.
 
Vortigern, please don't stoop to actually asking this guy to read your response. If he wants to learn, he can do so. If he wants to play stupid little games, let him. But don't act as if he's doing you a favour by deigning to read your response.
 
Exactly. And be proud of it.

Who wouldn't be proud of discovering the germ theory or relativity or any number of things that have furthered human understanding?

Religious people seem to think that's a bad thing and is therefore a weakness in the scientific method. I don't know why--maybe because they want to believe they have people or books or a method that can tell them the ultimate truth right now? Of course they don't, but religion gives them that illusion. Then they assume that every other system which doesn't claim the same ability is less worthy than theirs.

As a so called "religious" person I can tell you that what I object to is the notion that the theory of evolution is fact when it could be wrong. How do you explain this?
 
I am trying . . . real hard . . . to not respond to stuid, off topic posts or personal attacks.
So why haven't you answered my question all ready?
As a so called "religious" person I can tell you that what I object to is the notion that the theory of evolution is fact when it could be wrong. How do you explain this?
And as a scientist I object to the notion that all it takes for someone to dispute a scientific theory is to think that its really stupid.
 
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David Henson have stated pretty clearly that he have no knowledge of evolution or interest in learning.

What is this tread going on for?
 
A person will change, but that's not evolution in the sense we're using here.

Madallch, I have read this post, most of which I have removed because I am trying to concentrate on the Big Bang. That was the first point in the video. I understand that what you posted wasn't off topic with most of this thread but it is with the OP. What we have been talking about as far as dogs and the Biblical kind is increasingly off topic of the OP, so I have to pass.
 
Madallch, I have read this post, most of which I have removed because I am trying to concentrate on the Big Bang. That was the first point in the video. I understand that what you posted wasn't off topic with most of this thread but it is with the OP. What we have been talking about as far as dogs and the Biblical kind is increasingly off topic of the OP, so I have to pass.

Wait, really? In a thread about evolution (it's right there in the title), animals evolving is more off topic than the big bang? Someone's got some serious issues, I think.
 
Wait, really? In a thread about evolution (it's right there in the title), animals evolving is more off topic than the big bang? Someone's got some serious issues, I think.

The Big bang is to evolution
as
crop rotation is to Ice Cream
Helen Keller is to germ theory
Harry Potter is to Algebra
Big Audio Dynamite is to Polka
 
What exploded?


From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_bang (emphasis mine):

"As used by cosmologists, the term Big Bang generally refers to the idea that the Universe has expanded [not exploded] from a primordial hot and dense initial condition at some finite time in the past."

"Without any evidence associated with the earliest instant of the expansion, the Big Bang theory cannot and does not provide any explanation for such an initial condition; rather, it describes and explains the general evolution of the Universe since that instant."

Questions on the initial condition aside, there is plenty of evidence showing that the universe is expanding. There is no evidence to suggest the initial condition was God or was created by God. Without positive evidence, the only appropriate answer to the initial condition question is 'We don't yet know'.
 
The thread will go on for ever because it is...
Hey don't look at me. I'm trying to poke holes into his argument from personal incredulity on the Big Bang theory. Admittedly, its extremely hard for him to answer any questions no matter how relevant they are to the op.
 
Still waiting for the first of those "100 Reasons Why Evolution Is Stupid"

:whistle:

If the first video only has one "reason", then the remaining 10 must speed through them.

Personally, I couldn't stomach watching a Hovind video. I know grade school children who understand science better than he does (and they are usually far less criminal).
 
That's strawman.

Religion is irrelevant to the issue. This scientist is making a statement based on what his scientifically trained mind perceives about nature. Which is tampering by a superintelligence or an-an ID. Contrary to popular opinion, an ID need not be viewed as a god or God.
yes but he was still wrong.

Abiogenesis is a valid theory.

"Something esle did it." is not, what evidence is there that anything created life deliberately?
BTW
I hold the same view. Indeed. smart people can say stupid things. They can say they have fish as ancestors and that water spontaneously sprouts life. Stupid things like that.


Not water, primordial soup, and crackers.
 

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