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100 Reasons Why Evolution Is Stupid (Part 1 of 11)

6+ pages of replies to his trolling...why? Davey-boy is a class clown looking for attention.
Perhaps...

However, this is no reason to ignore his woo; non-experts (like me) can enjoy and benefit from reading (the often witty) responses that debunk his woo and/or clarify stuff - e.g. (Simon's post on the first page (post #22))
And, there it goes down to hell.
Evolution is a slippery word and, indeed, the theory is not just named 'evolution', it is the 'theory of evolution by means of natural selection'.
This term encompass both micro and macro-evolution that are, really, the same thing.
Scientists sometime make the distinction, but not a particularly useful one, in general.
Creationist use this distinction and really emphasis it as a mean to move the goalposts. Basically, they finally realized that they could not longer argue against the theory of evolution and now make an arbitrary distinction within it and pretends it to be significant...

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Let's be clear....

"Species", and "kind" are both just words/concepts.

Each and every life form that has ever existed on this planet has been unique. Each unique individual inherited it's chemical recipe* (DNA & RNA) from a progenitor.

"Species" is simply a mental shortcut we humans are so good at. It is no more precise than saying the term "Americans". While it does convey a group of individuals, it does so w/ no specificity. It is a generalization.

(In this analogy, the US one of the ring species, while Canada is it's neighbor.
Canadians are so superficially similar, you would have no way of telling the difference w/out performing an autopsy!)

*Not a blueprint/code. The genome is a dirty place, but it just gets the job done.
 
Perhaps...

However, this is no reason to ignore his woo; non-experts (like me) can enjoy and benefit from reading (the often witty) responses that debunk his woo and/or clarify stuff - e.g. (Simon's post on the first page (post #22))
:)


Thank you for your kind words good sir.


A few things I'd like to mention, because it seems that not everybody understand (I mean, not all of the serious, posters, I purposefully exclude the ones that care only to confirm they misunderstandings).

Species as, of course, a pretty well accepted definition: two individuals that do not, in nature, mate and produce viable and fertile offspring are considered to belong to a different species.
This is a convenient definition but one that has a few limitations. It excludes rare pairings, such as that of a lion of a tiger that do not occur in the wild but it also does exclude pairing that has more to do with geographical isolation or difference in mating habits. As such, it is not always a good indicator of genetic diversity (although, such a diversity will rapidly develop if only due to genetic drift).
More importantly, this definition is pretty useless when dealing with asexual reproduction.

Apart from that, other steps in the classification process, the family, genus, order and such, are very arbitrary.
They are based on objective characteristics, but the choice of this characteristic is arbitrary... (which is not to say that the tree of life would change, just the way we label the branches).

More importantly, the current trend in classification as it toward 'monophyletic' groups.
Basically, a group include the first individual to present the defining characteristics and all its descendants.
It is somewhat of a newish development and not everybody likes it, but I personally find it useful as classification done that way is less arbitrary and reflect some actual evolutionary realities.
For example, the apes include the first individuals that'd be classified as an ape, and all its descendant. So, yes, we did descend from a proto-ape, but we also descended, a little bit further down the line, from a population of actual ape, and so does all the other apes.

This is one of the reason the term, 'fish', to give you an example, is not really useful as far as taxonomy is concerned. It is a paraphylatic term.
Now, the term 'Sarcopterygii' (the lobe-finned fish) is monophylatic and, somewhat, more useful.
It includes the first of these lobe-finned fish (sometime in the Devonian) and all its descendant, all the way to us.

Similarly, the term 'monkey' is generally considered paraphylatic (it excludes the apes even if they are closer from the old world monkeys than new world monkeys are). The closest monophylactic term would 'Simian (or 'higher primates')...

It is rather interesting, I think...
 
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Let's be clear....

"Species", and "kind" are both just words/concepts.

Each and every life form that has ever existed on this planet has been unique. Each unique individual inherited it's chemical recipe* (DNA & RNA) from a progenitor.

"Species" is simply a mental shortcut we humans are so good at. It is no more precise than saying the term "Americans". While it does convey a group of individuals, it does so w/ no specificity. It is a generalization.

(In this analogy, the US one of the ring species, while Canada is it's neighbor.
Canadians are so superficially similar, you would have no way of telling the difference w/out performing an autopsy!)

*Not a blueprint/code. The genome is a dirty place, but it just gets the job done.

You can tell a Yank from a Canuck via an autopsy? :)
 
Fortunately, no one suggests that dogs came from fish by accident. They suggest that dogs came from fish via natural selection. Biologists understand the difference, even if creationists don't.
That is EXACTLY what Evolution dictates and believes in great faith. Random chance is accident, even if YOU can't deal with the intellectual absurdity YOU swallow whole.

That's why reproducibility, empirical evidence, predictive value, and the process of peer review are important aspects of the discipline of science.
"Evolution" is not "reproduced."
The "empirical evidence" is very limited far short of what unbelievers have imposed upon it in assumption.
"Predictive value" is essentially prophecy. Man's is nothing. God's is perfect. Yours I couldn't care less about since these distinctions seem to be news to you.
"Peer review" is men seeking the approval of men. Men are subject to all the limitations of mere men.
"Science" may be a "discipline" but "scientists" are not much more disciplined than you.

Yes, a far greater number of generations is involved.
Obviously. Would you really have preferred that I include millions of "great" in there? Would that have been intellectually acceptable to you?
We're probably wrong today, but less wrong than we were yesterday. And we know that, because we have technology greater than the men of the past.
So when does "science" start getting it right and why should you or I believe much of what men say until then?

Which assumptions are you referring to?
For starters, the ASSUMPTION that evolution is obviously true and, therefore, all observed evidence must fit within that operating assumption.

You'll have to be more specific than that please. Show me.

I think that we're all indoctrinated......
I do not believe that we, in general, are indoctrinated into believing in evolution, I think that such beliefs are the natural result the consideration of scientific observations.
"you" are indoctrinated accordingly, graded accordingly, and "your" professional future may depend on you march lockstep accordingly.

The alternative is mocked and dismissed, in indoctrination.
 
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...This is one of the reason the term, 'fish', to give you an example, is not really useful in science....

It's not useful in taxonomics, it's very useful in ecology, ethology, biomechanics etc, etc. [/pedant]
 
The churches are full of people who think that evolution is too incredible to be true but yet they don't think that a ghost poofing everything into existence is incredible at all.
Far from thinking it is "not incredible," "they" think God doing it is Most Awesome.
Meanwhile, you believe all the magnificence of life is a meaningless and purposeless cosmic accident.

Exactly. And be proud of it.

Who wouldn't be proud of discovering the germ theory or relativity or any number of things that have furthered human understanding?

Religious people seem to think that's a bad thing and is therefore a weakness in the scientific method. I don't know why--maybe because they want to believe they have people or books or a method that can tell them the ultimate truth right now? Of course they don't, but religion gives them that illusion. Then they assume that every other system which doesn't claim the same ability is less worthy than theirs.
Liar. Who thinks that's a bad thing? Nobody. We learn. Some of us, however, are in a hurry to exalt our own limited understanding as quickly as possible to eliminate the concept of God, but that only to assuage their consciences from dealing with that which they don't like to deal with. Some others of us are not in such a hurry.

This is the root of the problem for many... deciding what to accept and not to accept based only on how it sounds.

Compounded (as has been pointed out) by the inaccurate understanding of what evolution actually is.

This is a complete paradigm shift for many believers. Believers who are trained from day 1 to accept what authority says without question. That conditions them to the point that they cannot fathom that someone accepts evolution for different reasons, hence the accusations of "atheists" taking what scientists say about evolution on faith. Ignoring that likely most Christians accept evolution as well.
I question every authority, even yours, so you don't understand "believers" near as much as you think you certainly do.

For instance, give me YOUR objections to the "scientific authorities" that proclaim evolution as the truth explaining origins.
 
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Far from thinking it is "not incredible," "they" think God doing it is Most Awesome.
Meanwhile, you believe all the magnificence of life is a meaningless and purposeless cosmic accident.
Okay. So?
Was your irrational and basically useless attribution of reality to a fantasy suppose to accomplish anything besides your selfish mental masturbation?
 
Who can the animal at 11 o'clock breed with?

The animal at 10 o'clock (the variant c seems to be the one described here).
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