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100 Reasons Why Evolution Is Stupid (Part 1 of 11)

You certainly may. I seen him in a debate at a university with three evolutionist including one professor at that university, and though I pretty much disagree with his beliefs I couldn't help but be impressed with his presentation and ability to make those guys look like idiots.

Guys, I seriously cant understand why you persist with this numbskull.

It's blatantly obvious that he either a troll, or an insane fundamentalist who is not going to listen to reason, ever, and is here merely to cherry pick responses that make him feel good. He lacks the mental capability to actually understand the theories, and even if he did possess it he wouldnt *ever* actually admit that all the evidence is for evolution.

He hasnt even responded to the plethora of objections to his other umpteen posts, and he starts another nonsense post where he believes that Kent Hovind debated 3 "evolutionists" and made them "look like idiots".

Seriously, why do you bother?
 
I think the original post makes it clear that we are not doing a very good job of teaching science - not what we've learned from science, but what science really is.

Unfortunately, many people think science is a collection of theories and facts without any understanding of how we've come to learn those things. Only someone who doesn't understand what science really is can label the Big Bang as "unscientific" or evolution as a "religious belief."

Science is a process that allows us to overcome our prejudices and foibles to understand how the natural world really operates.

-- Roger


The problem seems to me to be that science as taught in (at least one British) school (and probably the rest, since they all have to stick to the exam board syllabuses) as a collection of more or less random "facts". As Roger implies, but doesn't actually state, science is a way of thinking. "Facts" I can look up any time - at least, I can look up the current versions of them: "current" because the process of science means that what we believe today to be true might well be shown to be wrong tomorrow. This idea of continual changing ideas is something which the creationists have a problem with. To quote a TV programme:

Creationist: "But you keep on changing your minds."

Steve Jones (I think): "Yes, that's what science is about."

Thinking is a process which has to be learned, and isn't taught in schools. I still have a copy of a book which I bought somewhen in the late 50s/early 60s:

Somerville, John (1958): The Way of Science. London, Abelard-Schuman.

Long since out of print, but I have fantasies of writing a new version of it!

Waddington's "Tools for Critical Thinking" (don't have the full reference to hand) is also extremely valuable, but aimed at an adult audience.


BTW, I make my comments about school science from knowledge not from prejudice: I am a specialist support teacher covering (amongst other subjects) Biology, Physics and Chemistry at GCSE. Basically "science" is taught badly because the syllabuses are poor, not because the teachers are. Those I work with are outstanding: I wish all of mine had been when I did O-levels.
 
He hasnt even responded to the plethora of objections to his other umpteen posts, and he starts another nonsense post where he believes that Kent Hovind debated 3 "evolutionists" and made them "look like idiots".

Lol, kind of like those other threads where he made up a conference of scientists in Sweden or something.

It's easy to support what I say when I can make stuff up.
 
Yup they do, and Science is the process that allows us to know things without those assumptions.

Because if you make an assumption, 10 other scientists will question it and take your research and reproduce it with a different set of assumptions to see if there is a different conclusion. 5 more will test the assumptions themselves.

And if different conclusions are arrived at and can be demonstrated, then everyone will accept the new conclusions and discard the old ones.

Science has demonstrated for centuries to be self correcting and via its processes arrive at better and more accurate descriptions of reality.

So really your post is irrelevant.
Since science is always correcting, eventually someday it will recognize today's imposed orthodox foolishness.

And I don't know who the freak you think you are, but your post is just as irrelevent too then. Really.
 
Micro. Great Danes and Shitzus are dogs.

Macro. Their great-great-great-great-great-great grandfathers did not come from a rock, or a fish, by accident.

Yes, a far greater number of generations is involved.

Since science is always correcting, eventually someday it will recognize today's imposed orthodox foolishness.

We're probably wrong today, but less wrong than we were yesterday. And we know that, because we have technology greater than the men of the past.
 
Can someone direct me to a thread where all you objective skeptics demonstrate your objective skepticism in critical deconstruction of the inherent assumptions accepted within the "fact" of the theory of evolution?

Anyone skeptical at all?
 
Can someone direct me to a thread where all you objective skeptics demonstrate your objective skepticism in critical deconstruction of the inherent assumptions accepted within the "fact" of the theory of evolution?

Anyone skeptical at all?

Which assumptions are you referring to?
 
What is the problem? Why do you call the various kinds of evolution that you mention "unscientific"?

Well, you have to realize that each of these "definitions" are examined in the video series and the "unscientific" - heh - stupidity of them will be discussed, but basically they are "unscientific" in that they are not observed.

The 6th one, for example, is observed. Everybody knows that a dog will produce a dog and not an ear of corn.

Your use of the term "purely theoretical" suggests that you are unaware of the definition of "theory" as used in science.

When does a prediction become fantasy? When does science become fiction. Why am I here talking about something which I have very little interest in? It is because you believe in a religion that opposes another, and most interestingly, you don't know that you do that because you have been indoctrinated. I have always suspected this but here I am confirming it.

The word "evolution" means "change over time". Why do you think the use of the word "evolution" is made less valid when it is applied to different phenomena that involve change over time? The scientists involved in the various fields that you mention are careful to distinguish the type of evolution that they discuss.

Yeah! It is so obvious, isn't it! Over and over and over again we have to stress how the word evolution is used. A person changes over time, but it doesn't change into an ear of corn.

What is unscientific about Big Bang cosmology?

If I say God exists because religion says so does that make it true? If I say that science may be wrong about the Big Bang you are not going to argue that, and you sure have not addressed the point about the Big Bang Dr. Hovind raised. What exploded? Where did what allegedly exploded come from? And the energy etc.


A reasonable question. The answer is: The universe "exploded".

The universe exploded into the universe and you have to ask what is unscientific about the Big Bang?!

C'mon people!

This is how science works. As more information is gained theories are refined. In the early nineteenth century it was thought that the known elements were composed of distinct atoms, one for each element. Does the fact that the sub-structure of atoms has been gradually understood in greater and greater detail since then invalidate atomic theory?

The same question could be asked of religion, politics, the lottery or anything. When you say "This happened," that is fact. When you say "we think this might have happened," that is religion and science. When you confuse the two that is stupid. Evolution is stupid.

What they mean is that there was likely no "before" the Big Bang as we currently understand it. "Before the Big Bang" is probably as nonsensical as "North of the North Pole".

You are having a hard time with this, aren't you? What you are saying is that nothing exploded. Nothing really is nothing. Where did it come from? If you can't answer it just say you can't answer it. If you don't know say you don't know. Don't act as if there was nothing that you can't understand before the Big Bang because you have already more or less said nothing became nothing, like magic, what the hell do you have to lose at this point?!


Do you have anything to offer beside arguments from personal incredulity? The sources you are relying on to tell you what science is are deeply flawed.

Just answer the questions raised. That's all. Simple. You can't. No one can.
 
Holy crap on a cracker :jaw-dropp

Ummmm, yes, I think Ill leave this well alone. Good luck and godspeed people!

I agree.It is waste of time talking to these fundamentalist nutcases.Let them stew in their own ignorance.
 
David, what is colder than absolute 0?
David, who was president of the US in 1620?
David, what's north of the north pole?
David, what came before God?

David, why do you ignore the questions you can't answer and the explanations you don't like?
 
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Hmmm I always thought this refered to the life cycle of a star or planet. I musta been wrong about that

[Laughs] In other words the beginning of that cycle isn't a part of the "cycle?"

What you can't explain doesn't exist, does it?
 
Well, it seems to me that if you were interested in what we think, you would read the links and you would stand a better chance of understanding what is being said.

You don't think that I could have found those links myself? Can you not speak for yourself? I have to go and talk to someone else to figure out what you think?

Why do you think we owe you private tutoring?

Amazing!
 
I think that we're all indoctrinated. That's where morals come from. But, with regards to reality paradigms, it is better to be indoctrinated into upholding scientific axioms, because the associated paradigm actually helps you understand reality, as demonstrated by the fact that technology works, in contrast to prayer.

I do not believe that we, in general, are indoctrinated into believing in evolution, I think that such beliefs are the natural result the consideration of scientific observations.

I do not believe David Henson is arguing in good faith, I believe that he is preaching for his own satisfaction.
 

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