Examples of U.S. Soverign Citizen (Freeman on the Land) Failures

[Toke]

I said it is a remedy to the "current system" not that it is an improved system.

A remedy, but not an improvement?

 

[Toke]

So are you admitting America is no longer free?

No, and I doubt you have any definition of free.

You are making incoherent babble around an unclear understanding of what the term FOTL means.

You could start by deciding on whether you think FOTL describe the law as it should be, or as it is.

 

[volatile]

Did you read what i wrote? I said it is a remedy to the "current system" not that it is an improved system.

It wouldn't be much of a remedy if it made it worse, would it?!

 

[Bluekush623]

No, and I doubt you have any definition of free.

You are making incoherent babble around an unclear understanding of what the term FOTL means.

You could start by deciding on whether you think FOTL describe the law as it should be, or as it is.

Look in the mirror.

It is not my fault you people have zero comprehension of law.

No one can disprove "consent of the governed", all you can say is that it doesn't apply anymore. But you don't have any evidence too back that claim up. So your claim is false.

And just because the current system may not recognize such terminology does not mean it is not true. we just have a system that no longer understands its left from right. So it is actually the systems fault and not the FOTL you guys continue too be little.

 

[twinstead]

And just because the current system may not recognize such terminology does not mean it is not true. we just have a system that no longer understands its left from right. So it is actually the systems fault and not the FOTL you guys continue too be little.

That the current system doesn't recognize such terminology means EXACTLY that it's not true. Compared to the gibberish I have seen from FOTL, "the system" is just fine.

 

[Toke]

I assume that means that you consider FOTL to be a should thing not is.

Do you really think going to court individually is going to change anything?

Think of those founding fathers, they got results, through a revolution.

 

[Bluekush623]

That the current system doesn't recognize such terminology means EXACTLY that it's not true. Compared to the gibberish I have seen from FOTL, "the system" is just fine.

this is complete ignorance. and why the word has been used in excess.

 

[Sledge]

Did you read what i wrote? I said it is a remedy to the "current system" not that it is an improved system.

Yes, I read what you wrote. Hence my reply. Ignoring your inability comprehend simple English, you are still in the wrong thread. Do you understand that?

 

[volatile]

It is not my fault you people have zero comprehension of law.

In this post, you seem to be saying that FOTL reflects the law as it currently stands.

Yet, in this post:

I said it is a remedy to the "current system"

you seem to be saying that FOTL is a hypothetically better system of law.

So which is it?

 

[Toke]

Yes, I read what you wrote. Hence my reply. Ignoring your inability comprehend simple English, you are still in the wrong thread. Do you understand that?

I cannot agree with you here.
Bluekusk623 is very much on subject in a tread on FOTL failures.

 

[Bluekush623]

I assume that means that you consider FOTL to be a should thing not is.

Do you really think going to court individually is going to change anything?

Think of those founding fathers, they got results, through a revolution.

exactly and this was brought up a couple pages ago.

Should we have too fight the war again? Or will the system founded off the basis of freedom, finally allow people to be free?

 

[Bluekush623]

In this post, you seem to be saying that FOTL reflects the law as it currently stands.

Yet, in this post:

you seem to be saying that FOTL is a hypothetically better system of law.

So which is it?

remedy is apart of the current system. what is so hard to understand? there is nothing "new" about it.

 

[Toke]

exactly and this was brought up a couple pages ago.

Should we have too fight the war again? Or will the system founded off the basis of freedom, finally allow people to be free?

You will need a new war, the founding fathers had completely different ideas of what freedom is than the current FTOL crowd. So a country founded on their ideas of freedom, will not accept the FOTL ideals.

 

[volatile]

remedy is apart of the current system. what is so hard to understand? there is nothing "new" about it.

OK, so you do think that the FOTL "magic words" formulae describe the actual legal status of (at least) America? Haven't you denied that in this thread?

Please be clearer. Is FOTL a description of the current legal system, or is it merely a system you see as ideologically and philosophically preferable to the current system?

 

[Bluekush623]

You will need a new war, the founding fathers had completely different ideas of what freedom is than the current FTOL crowd. So a country founded on their ideas of freedom, will not accept the FOTL ideals.

This is complete ignorance of this topic and discussion.

You JREF'ers should really read sometimes instead of going by word of mouth.

 

[Bluekush623]

OK, so you do think that the FOTL "magic words" formulae describe the actual legal status of (at least) America? Haven't you denied that in this thread?

Please be clearer. Is FOTL a description of the current legal system, or is it merely a system you see as ideologically and philosophically preferable to the current system?

Being a Freeman is not a "system" it is a policy status.

 

[Sledge]

I cannot agree with you here.
Bluekusk623 is very much on subject in a tread on FOTL failures.

Touché.

 

[volatile]

Being a Freeman is not a "system" it is policy status.

Right.

So, do you think it is a status that has any effective meaning in the current, existing legal system of America? Does that status, in your opinion actually confer you benefits, right now, today, under the law as it currently stands in America?

Or is the status one you think people ought to have, either collectively or individually?

How many times can I ask a simple question? Your replies seem to switch between FOTL being a status that has real effects in real courts, right now, and FOTL status being something you think is ideologically and politically preferable to "the current system". So which is it?

 

[MostlyHarmless]

This is complete ignorance of this topic and discussion.

You JREF'ers should really read sometimes instead of going by word of mouth.

No, Toke is perfectly on topic. What the FOTL don't understand is that their ideas are in direct conflict with both the words of the Constitution and the DOI, and the reasons for their creation. You are in such a minority that you will have to revolt, and you are such a fringe group that the Screen Actors Guild has a much better chance of a successful coup.

 

[Cl1mh4224rd]

remedy is apart of the current system. what is so hard to understand? there is nothing "new" about it.

What... the... ****...?