ACARS messages to UA175 and UA93

Any opinion on the ACARS details in the following link ?

http://911woodybox.blogspot.com/2009/10/flight-175-was-duplicated-threefold.html

United dispatchers sent ACARS messages to Flight 175 locating it near Harrisburg, Pennsylvania just when the South Tower was hit (by whatever plane) and near Pittsburgh 20 minutes later. Hence the Flight 175 that was tracked by United Airlines was not identical to the plane that hit the South Tower.
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The existence of the "official" Flight 175 is undoubtedly substantiated by FAA documents (ATC/pilot transcripts etc.) So like Flight 93, United Airlines tracked a different Flight 175 than the FAA. Another case of plane duplication. And for Flight 175 there is strong additional evidence that the plane was duplicated from start
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No.

Any hypothesis that explains the events of 9/11/01 better than the common narrative?
 
ACARS has been dealt with before:
apathoid said:
There is a datalink system, yes. It's called ACARS. It's mostly for weather reports, gate assignments, engine trend monitering, as well as other maintenance functions via another system called ACMS. There is some capability now which can actually download FDR data through ACARS but I don't know that that was possible in 2001, or if AA or UA have that option installed...
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That post is from 2007. And here's a page from 2006 where it was discussed:
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=62553&page=18
 
Once again, as I have said in other threads, if you are going to post something that allegedly deserves its own thread, could you please take the time and energy, have the decency to provide a some opinion or commentary on the links, rather then just spamming the links themselves.

We have a "General Discussion" thread on this subforum if all you wish to do is provide the community with some links.

TAM
 
femr2 said:
Any opinion on the ACARS details in the following link ?

http://911woodybox.blogspot.com/2009/10/flight-175-was-duplicated-threefold.html
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The fact, not opinion, is Woody Box junk is stupid. Why are you unable to see woody-box is a web sit of stupidity on 911?

It is clear, however, that the "official" United 175 tracked by the FAA was a different plane. The research will continue.
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What a dumb web site. The RADAR data shows where the planes were, why can't Woody Box grasp reality?
 
beachnut said:
The RADAR data shows where the planes were, why can't Woody Box grasp reality?
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The author includes...
United dispatchers sent ACARS messages to Flight 175 locating it near Harrisburg, Pennsylvania just when the South Tower was hit (by whatever plane) and near Pittsburgh 20 minutes later. Hence the Flight 175 that was tracked by United Airlines was not identical to the plane that hit the South Tower.
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The existence of the "official" Flight 175 is undoubtedly substantiated by FAA documents (ATC/pilot transcripts etc.)
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What he is highlighting is the location of ACARS data transmitted to a flight with ID UA175.

Very similar to the FlightExplorer data anomoly (which I note my post to earlier has moved to this thread. Hmm. Will just have to put it back with some extra verbage which relates the two threads together if appropriate)

The implication is that United Airlines were tracking and sending messages to the *manually entered track* suggested by Cheap Shot here...?
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=174730&page=4

Guess I'll have to grab the data and work through it.
 
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BenBurch said:
Except that message is not in the ACARS transcript provided above, is it?
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These are the messages referenced in the authors blog, which are all in the PDF:
http://femr2.ucoz.com/_ph/2/648161484.png
Page 4, Message 1

http://femr2.ucoz.com/_ph/2/2/849396678.png
Page 5, Message 2

http://femr2.ucoz.com/_ph/2/2/513740653.png
Page 5, Message 3

http://femr2.ucoz.com/_ph/2/331321151.png

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Please see Rule 5 re: hotlinking images.

Page 15, 2nd Message.
 
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femr2 said:
These are the messages referenced in the authors blog, which are all in the PDF:

[qimg]http://femr2.ucoz.com/_ph/2/648161484.png[/qimg]
Page 4, Message 1

[qimg]http://femr2.ucoz.com/_ph/2/2/849396678.png[/qimg]
Page 5, Message 2

[qimg]http://femr2.ucoz.com/_ph/2/2/513740653.png[/qimg]
Page 5, Message 3

[qimg]http://femr2.ucoz.com/_ph/2/331321151.png[/qimg]
Page 15, 2nd Message.
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Holy ****, that last one is very......chilling.

Damn, this pisses me off. :mad::mad:
 
femr2 said:
These are the messages referenced in the authors blog, which are all in the PDF:


Page 4, Message 1


Page 5, Message 2


Page 5, Message 3


Page 15, 2nd Message.
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And what is the conclusion? What is the CD version for this junk from Woody Box? Is there any conspiracy theory too idiotic that you will not support? You support the moronic CD junk and you have no clue about the flying portion of 911. What is the conclusion, what does this mean for your delusions on 911?

It means nothing with respect to 19 terrorist trying to fly 4 aircraft into buildings on 911. When you finally figure it out you will find 4 aircraft taken by murdering people were smashed into WTC towers, Pentagon, and when Passengers figure out 911 in minutes they stopped the terrorists on 93 when the dolt murderers were too scared to flight so they flew 93 into the ground at 600 mph. If you come up with some CD and other idiotic fantasies you need to start over.
 
beachnut said:
And what is the conclusion?<snip rant>
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I posted over on the thread discussing the FlightExplorer data anomolies, specifically to see whether Cheap Shot might pop up and explain how ACARS data routing might work. Perhaps a *failed* message gets reported as being from *PIT*. However, the post was moved here. I'll expand the detail and ask again over there a bit later, though I'd hope some official ACARS behaviour documentation would follow.

If the behaviour of ACARS confirms that *PIT* was the nearest receiver, then it would be *very* odd indeed, yes ?

You really must stop jumping to conclusions Beachnut.
 
knife fight colobus said:
I, like Bermas, refuse to look at anything that does not have any pictures. I like my evidence like my Denny's menus:

[qimg]http://www.carrieestok.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/dennys.jpg[/qimg]
BAM!
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Dammit! When did Denny's get a Sum41 themed sandwich? Do they sell that in Canada?
 
femr2 said:
I posted over on the thread discussing the FlightExplorer data anomolies, specifically to see whether Cheap Shot might pop up and explain how ACARS data routing might work. Perhaps a *failed* message gets reported as being from *PIT*. However, the post was moved here. I'll expand the detail and ask again over there a bit later, though I'd hope some official ACARS behaviour documentation would follow.

If the behaviour of ACARS confirms that *PIT* was the nearest receiver, then it would be *very* odd indeed, yes ?

You really must stop jumping to conclusions Beachnut.
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You don't understand Flight-Explorer, and why there is a real path of Flight 175 based on RADAR data which is recorded and can be viewed later to settle exactly where planes were even when they turn off Mode 3 or switch squawk. Now you don't understand ACARS? Cool.

Please explain what it mean, this made up fantasy conspiracy theories supported by Woody Box. Woody Box makes up junk exactly like the failed CD conspiracy theorist do.
If the behaviour of ACARS confirms that *PIT* was the nearest receiver, then it would be *very* odd indeed, yes ?
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No, you need to explain what it means. You don't know what it means? Why can't you explain it?

It does not change 19 terrorists on 4 planes and what happen on 911. I think you like conspiracy theories made up out of ignorance. It is based on your posts. Jumping to a conclusion based on your lack of knowledge and failure in physics. At least I use evidence.
 
femr2 said:
I posted over on the thread discussing the FlightExplorer data anomolies, specifically to see whether Cheap Shot might pop up and explain how ACARS data routing might work. Perhaps a *failed* message gets reported as being from *PIT*. However, the post was moved here. I'll expand the detail and ask again over there a bit later, though I'd hope some official ACARS behaviour documentation would follow.

If the behaviour of ACARS confirms that *PIT* was the nearest receiver, then it would be *very* odd indeed, yes ?

You really must stop jumping to conclusions Beachnut.
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Beachnut has every right to scold you. You basically said you have no idea how uplinked messages get routed to a particular aircraft....yet you've drawn the conclusion that something is amiss.

:nope:
 
apathoid said:
Beachnut has every right to scold you. You basically said you have no idea how uplinked messages get routed to a particular aircraft....yet you've drawn the conclusion that something is amiss.

:nope:
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No he's just being Beachnut.

I have an idea how it works, which indicates that the message was received by an aircraft in the vacinity of *PIT*. I might not be right though, thus...

The only *conclusion* I've suggested was this...
The implication is that United Airlines were tracking and sending messages to the *manually entered track* suggested by Cheap Shot here...?
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I'll wait for Cheap Shot, rather than read the whining thanks.
 
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