New Zealand bans kosher slaughter

Kosher seems to be a relatively painless way to kill animals if it's done properly, and the fact that it is often not, is more than likely the reason for the ban. The ritual leaves too much room for error which equals distress, pain and fear for the animal. Plus the whole thing is pointless ritualistic nonsense anyway.

Edit: Will they also be banning Islamic Dhabiha as well?
 
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noreligion said:
I thought you were Jewish. You don't know why Kosher slaughtering is the way it is?
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I am Jewish. The Jewish Bible and Talmud commands Jews to slaughter animals this way. And yes, if done correctly, the animal should go unconsious pretty quickly, thereby giving it no pain.

But I do wonder if Rabbis do indeed watch EVERY single slaughter, to make sure the animal is immediately unconscious and quickly discards the animal as "unKosher" if it does not.

Meat and poultry is about money, and I would not be surprised if religious obligations are set aside in the name of profit.

But I am still not aware of any Jewish rule that says the animal cannot be stunned before its throat is cut. Perhaps you can enlighten me.
 
Thunder said:
I am Jewish. The Jewish Bible and Talmud commands Jews to slaughter animals this way. And yes, if done correctly, the animal should go unconsious pretty quickly, thereby giving it no pain.

But I do wonder if Rabbis do indeed watch EVERY single slaughter, to make sure the animal is immediately unconscious and quickly discards the animal as "unKosher" if it does not.

Meat and poultry is about money, and I would not be surprised if religious obligations are set aside in the name of profit.

But I am still not aware of any Jewish rule that says the animal cannot be stunned before its throat is cut. Perhaps you can enlighten me.
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This was your second sentence. "The Jewish Bible and Talmud commands Jews to slaughter animals this way." Please take your trolling somewhere else.
 
Red3 said:
Edit: Will they also be banning Islamic Dhabiha as well?
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Apparently, there is a distinction between dhabihah and kashrut slaughter in that the former allows (although in most places rarely involve) the slaughter of unconscious animals. I don't know about New Zealand, but in Norway kashrut slaughter is effectively prohibited due to animal welfare legislation, while many slaughterhouses routinely add the necessary ritualistic requirements for dhabiha (muslim butcher, ritual blessing, etc.) to their normal practice in order to sell the meat as halal.
 
noreligion said:
I thought you were Jewish. You don't know why Kosher slaughtering is the way it is?
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I don't think it's reasonable to expect everyone who identifies with a religion to know all the trivia associated with that religion. Self-describing as "Jewish" can mean anything from belonging to one of those insular groups that walk around in 19th century clothing with untrimmed beards and spending all day long studying to some person with Jewish grandparents but who grew up celebrating Christmass and who wouldn't know what the inside of a Synagogue looked like.

Parky here seems to me to be a lot closer to the later than the former, but that doesn't mean he's not sincere.
 
From the article:

"...Rabbi Jeremy Lawrence, the former leader of the Auckland Hebrew Congregation, told the Jewish Australian News that "there is a strong body of veterinary and animal welfare research which continues to confirm shechita as a humane method of slaughter of the highest standard."

Minister Cater reached the contentious decision, despite the fact that the report compiled by The National Animal Welfare Advisory Council, on which Carter based his decision, stated that "that the rights of the New Zealand Jewish community to practice its religious beliefs accorded by the Bill of Rights Act must be balanced against animal welfare considerations."..."

To me it's hard to see this decision as being anything other than anti-Jewish. I'm all for showing concern for animal welfare and minimizing the brutality of slaughter practices in general, but I simply don't believe that kosher slaughter practices are any worse that what happens in normal slaughter.
 
It seems to be not so much anti-Jewish as a case of excessive government regulation in general.
 
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Mycroft said:
From the article:

"...Rabbi Jeremy Lawrence, the former leader of the Auckland Hebrew Congregation, told the Jewish Australian News that "there is a strong body of veterinary and animal welfare research which continues to confirm shechita as a humane method of slaughter of the highest standard."
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I'll just bet there is. There's a small pressure group of strongly Jewish vets and researchers in every country who continue to press this point and publish whatever they can to support it.

It's barbaric. The animal's throat is cut, and the brain still receives enough blood through the vertebral arteries to stay conscious while it bleeds to death through a huge wound in its neck. It may be hung up by a hind leg while this happens.

Mycroft said:
Minister Cater reached the contentious decision, despite the fact that the report compiled by The National Animal Welfare Advisory Council, on which Carter based his decision, stated that "that the rights of the New Zealand Jewish community to practice its religious beliefs accorded by the Bill of Rights Act must be balanced against animal welfare considerations."..."

To me it's hard to see this decision as being anything other than anti-Jewish. I'm all for showing concern for animal welfare and minimizing the brutality of slaughter practices in general, but I simply don't believe that kosher slaughter practices are any worse that what happens in normal slaughter.
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You're free to "believe" what you like. You're wrong. When your religion mandates killing animals like that, I have no sympathy. Get the chip off your shoulder and realise that some people just care for animals. Anti-Jewish - get over yourself!

The prohibition on pre-stunning is I understand related to the bit about not consuming blemished animals. The captive bolt lesion is held to be a "blemish". In that case, you already ought to be vegetarian, because guess what, all cattle have ear tags.

Join the rest of the world and agree to pre-stunning. After that, you can do what you like.

Rolfe.

ETA: Kudos to New Zealand. The sooner other countries follow this excellent example, the better.
 
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for thousands of years, Kosher slaughter methods were the most humane and pain-free for animals.

but now, with modern technology, there are much more humane and pain-free ways to kill livestock and poultry.

this has nothing to do with anti-Semitism, and all about looking out for animal-rights.

I see NO reason why kosher rule makers would refuse to incorporate stunning into their slaughter methods.
 
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