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Genetics has identified the Ananuki.

leftysergeant said:
In the Bible, there is mention made of the "sons of heaven" who married and produced children with the "daughters of men" prior to the Deluge.

This legend is transmitted along with the sorty of the Deluge from Mesopotamia. The first notable culture in that area, the Sumerian, was built by people who apparently arrived from the east, proibably areas in which there had been large populations of Neanderthalers on their perimeter.
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And the evidenece is?

(Maybe you should read up on agriculture and storage technologies)
Now geneticists have found that most of us carry at least some Neanderthaller genes.

The Sumerians called themselves "The Black-headed." All the peoples around them in Mesopotamia were black-haired.

The Neanderthalers would probably have been blond and blue-eyed. And they would have mated with early modern African invaders into the Caucasus.
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Double, triple call for evidence.
And the children would have, because of hybrid vigor, been bloody huge and healthy.

The irony is that science has confirmed one biblical dogma, but in a way that still confirms paleontological dogma.
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Wow dude, did you really write this:
The irony is that science{your speculation is not science} has confirmed one biblical dogma, but in a way that still confirms paleontological dogma. {Why is plaentology dogma?}
 
leftysergeant said:
In the Bible, there is mention made of the "sons of heaven" who married and produced children with the "daughters of men" prior to the Deluge.

This legend is transmitted along with the sorty of the Deluge from Mesopotamia. The first notable culture in that area, the Sumerian, was built by people who apparently arrived from the east, proibably areas in which there had been large populations of Neanderthalers on their perimeter.

Now geneticists have found that most of us carry at least some Neanderthaller genes.

The Sumerians called themselves "The Black-headed." All the peoples around them in Mesopotamia were black-haired.

The Neanderthalers would probably have been blond and blue-eyed. And they would have mated with early modern African invaders into the Caucasus.

And the children would have, because of hybrid vigor, been bloody huge and healthy.

The irony is that science has confirmed one biblical dogma, but in a way that still confirms paleontological dogma.
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Neanderthals were strong but they were very short also. Some Neanderthals may or may not have had red hair. mating with Cro magnon humans may have happened but it was a rare occurance according to most scientists. On the rare occassion when the two groups interbred the offspring would have taken after one or the other parent.

Nothing about this verifys any religious story in any book. Black hair is very common and in fact most races have dark hair.
 
leftysergeant said:
In the Bible, there is mention made of the "sons of heaven" who married and produced children with the "daughters of men" prior to the Deluge.

This legend is transmitted along with the sorty of the Deluge from Mesopotamia. The first notable culture in that area, the Sumerian, was built by people who apparently arrived from the east, proibably areas in which there had been large populations of Neanderthalers on their perimeter.

Now geneticists have found that most of us carry at least some Neanderthaller genes.
The Sumerians called themselves "The Black-headed." All the peoples around them in Mesopotamia were black-haired.

The Neanderthalers would probably have been blond and blue-eyed. And they would have mated with early modern African invaders into the Caucasus.

And the children would have, because of hybrid vigor, been bloody huge and healthy.

The irony is that science has confirmed one biblical dogma, but in a way that still confirms paleontological dogma.
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Please provide a reference for the hilited statement. As far as I know, Neanderthal DNA found in an arm bone was different from our own to the degree that were probably a separate species. Hence, there would have been no fertile sapiens / Neanderthal hybrids.
 
TimCallahan said:
Please provide a reference for the hilited statement. As far as I know, Neanderthal DNA found in an arm bone was different from our own to the degree that were probably a separate species. Hence, there would have been no fertile sapiens / Neanderthal hybrids.
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How did you miss this
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8660940.stm
;)
"Your uncle wasn't a monkey"

while were here, heres the putting the "E" in JREF question
can any of you woo genius's tell me the correct transliteration of the Mesopotamian cthonic deities
it certainly isn't
Ananuki
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for a bonus point what does that translate as
:D
 
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TimCallahan said:
Please provide a reference for the hilited statement. As far as I know, Neanderthal DNA found in an arm bone was different from our own to the degree that were probably a separate species. Hence, there would have been no fertile sapiens / Neanderthal hybrids.
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I think he's referingto this:
Neanderthal gene found in human DNA of people living out of Africa
They have been extinct for 30,000 years, but a small part of the Neanderthals lives on in the DNA of every person with ancestors outside Africa.

The genetic code of Neanderthal Man has revealed that Homo sapiens mated with our closest evolutionary relatives soon after migrating out of Africa, leaving traces that can still be detected in human DNA.
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There's been some discussion on it on another forum I'm a member of, unfortunately, it being a forum catering to woo it was soon driven off topic.

Edited to Add: Well, in the time it took to finish that call and finish this post, Marduk beat me to it, and with a better link.
Oh well.
 
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noreligion said:
People who look different and are strong. Then I would go home and invent strength training. Are you seriously trying to say that science ever would agree with a book that says pi is 3 not once but twice?
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Er, the bible does NOT say Pi = 3. It describes certain round objects as having a "diameter of 10 [units] and a cicumference of 30 [units]", but that is not intended as a definition of Pi -- merely as a rough estimate of the size, much like you would call a room's area "ten by twenty feet" even when its 9.96 x 20.11.
 
Marduk said:
How did you miss this
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8660940.stm
;)
"Your uncle wasn't a monkey"

while were here, heres the putting the "E" in JREF question
can any of you woo genius's tell me the correct transliteration of the Mesopotamian cthonic deities
it certainly isn't
for a bonus point what does that translate as
:D
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Thanks for that, Marduk. My knowledge was outdated, based on Neanderthal mitochondrial DNA. Of course, since Neanderthals died out about 30,000 years ago, and Sumerian civilization starts about 5,000 years ago, there's no chance any Neanderthal / sapiens hybrids. founded Sumerian civilization.

What I was able to find on the origins of the word Anunaki was that it is apparently derived from the Sumerian words Anu, meaning "heaven" and Ki, meaning "earth." Zecharia Sitchen seized on this to make Anunaki mean "Those who came from Heaven to Earth." However, it probably means the descendants of the god Anu and the goddess Ki, or the children o heaven and earth. This would be the equivalent of the children of Ouranos (or Uranus, i. e. "heaven") and Gaia (earth) in Greek myth. These were the Titans.
 
Skeptic said:
Er, the bible does NOT say Pi = 3. It describes certain round objects as having a "diameter of 10 [units] and a cicumference of 30 [units]", but that is not intended as a definition of Pi -- merely as a rough estimate of the size, much like you would call a room's area "ten by twenty feet" even when its 9.96 x 20.11.
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Is pi the ratio of a circle's diameter to it's circumference? You can call it whatever you want but that is how pi is defined. For that matter, pi was a value known to a few decimal places well before the bible was written.
 
ShadowSot said:
Ah well, in my defense I hadn't registered at that point.

Quick question, you wouldn't happen to be the same Marduk who use to fequent the Unexplained Mysteries forum, would you?
You're sorely missed over there.
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I'm going to have to register my name as a trademark, I've been asked that about 100 times now
I got banned for always supporting my statements with credible links and knowing real stuff, thats against forum policy apparently on a site that makes money from woo. I got banned at the Hancock forum for the same thing
:D

TimCallahan said:
What I was able to find on the origins of the word Anunaki was that it is apparently derived from the Sumerian words Anu, meaning "heaven" and Ki, meaning "earth." Zecharia Sitchen seized on this to make Anunaki mean "Those who came from Heaven to Earth." However, it probably means the descendants of the god Anu and the goddess Ki, or the children o heaven and earth. This would be the equivalent of the children of Ouranos (or Uranus, i. e. "heaven") and Gaia (earth) in Greek myth. These were the Titans.
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Sitchin has it completely wrong, its one of those things that tells me two things whenever I hear it
1. that someone is using a woo source. It actually means , those of princely blood. Its not Anu-na-ki, its A-Nun-Na (ki, is a determinative which connects their domain with Mesopotamia the same as in Ki En Gir "the noble lords" where it isn't neccesary to add "of Mesopotamia" as that is the name that the Sumerians called themselves)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anunnaki
http://psd.museum.upenn.edu/epsd/epsd/e4450.html
http://psd.museum.upenn.edu/epsd/epsd/e3868.html
The other thing of course is that they are really called the Anuna, as unless a text is describing them travelling in some foreign country (and none ever does) the Ki is superfluous, like saying "Englishman" instead of "man" when describing an indigenous male resident of an English town
2. That Sitchin cannot even translate basic nouns, let alone entire texts

Simply put, the Anuna are not the Gods of heaven, that is the IGIGI, who are represented by an Eye symbol
Their name translates directly as "essence of eyes" but can be transliterated as "they who watch", "the watching ones" (as a biblical scholar whos read Enoch you know where this is going right)
http://psd.museum.upenn.edu/epsd/epsd/e2510.html
http://psd.museum.upenn.edu/epsd/epsd/e1658.html
Its those Gods who were responsible for the famous eye figurines and the proto cuneiform eye symbol appears on cylinder seals right up til the neo babylonian period
http://www.britishmuseum.org/explore/highlights/highlight_objects/me/a/alabaster_eye_idols.aspx
;)
 
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Piscivore said:
What is the word for "Slayer"? :)
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;)
glad to help
:p
 
I used to go out with an Anunaki. She was ******* great.
She'd let me sit on her shoulders at heavy metal concerts and all sorts of other ****.
 
I'm going to have to register my name as a trademark, I've been asked that about 100 times now
I got banned for always supporting my statements with credible links and knowing real stuff, thats against forum policy apparently on a site that makes money from woo. I got banned at the Hancock forum for the same thing
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Like I said, you're sorely missed thee, though there are still a good few folk there who know a good deal of real history. Glad to see you're doing well.
 
noreligion said:
Is pi the ratio of a circle's diameter to it's circumference? You can call it whatever you want but that is how pi is defined. For that matter, pi was a value known to a few decimal places well before the bible was written.
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Nope. It was known to about 1 dp. India may have known it to to two. We don't see people getting a as far as a few untill after 100AD. The old testiment long predates that.
 
People didn't use decimal points back then. They used fractions.

And, 22/7 (used by Egyptians for their mathematical work) calculates out to 3.1428571428571428571428571428571, which is a reasonably close value for pi. Certainly better than the 3.14 value I was told was "good enough" in high school.

For most "eyeball-it" work, knowing the circumference is going to be just a tad more than three times the diameter works just fine.

Sheesh, people, get a life. It's a farging old almanac written over centuries in various languages, back when counting tended to go "one, two, three, many." You want ancient precision? Go play with Pythagoras.

Beanbag
 
geni said:
Nope. It was known to about 1 dp. India may have known it to to two. We don't see people getting a as far as a few untill after 100AD. The old testiment long predates that.
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That the ratio of the circumference to the diameter of a circle is the same for all circles, and that it is slightly more than 3, was known to Ancient Egyptian, Babylonian, Indian and Greek geometers. The earliest known textually evidenced approximations date from around 1900 BC; they are 25/8 (Babylonia) and 256/81 (Egypt), both within 1% of the true value.[2] The Indian text Shatapatha Brahmana gives π as 339/108 ≈ 3.139. Additionally, the Old Testament discusses a ceremonial pool in the temple of King Solomon, having a diameter of ten cubits, and a circumference of thirty cubits, implying an approximate value of three for pi;[36][23] though perhaps King Solomon knew better.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pi#Antiquity
 
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