Repeal Don't Ask Don't Tell

[ponderingturtle]

I'm done with you guys, ya dig? You're disagreeing with the troops. THE TROOPS! In this country we go by what the troops want, not Dem politicians.

So you would have been strongly against Truman's integration of the military then. Do you think Redtail would have been able to serve in integrated units or would he have been still limited to colored units if they followed your plan then?

 

[Upchurch]

I'm calling spoof.

Cain punked all of you.

I was guessing that as well. I just wanted to check. After all, you should never underestimate people's ability to be stupid. This, however,seems a little too thick to be serious.

OTOH, least anyone be so dense as to agree with Cain's spoof, please note that there is no evidence in favor of his argument. It is is just one unsupported claim after the next combined with argument from authority and appeal to patriotism (which is ironically anti-patriotic).

 

[KingMerv00]

I was guessing that as well. I just wanted to check. After all, you should never underestimate people's ability to be stupid. This, however,seems a little too thick to be serious.

He's doing the same spoof in a different thread.

If you do a spread a spoof over too many threads, you become a troll.

 

[Ladewig]

I'm calling spoof.

Cain punked all of you.

I am completely missing the point of such spoofing. In the U.S. there are people who fervently argue both sides of this particular issue. What is gained by pretending to be on the other side?

 

[Upchurch]

I am completely missing the point of such spoofing. In the U.S. there are people who fervently argue both sides of this particular issue. What is gained by pretending to be on the other side?

Mostly pointing out how the other sides lacks any coherent argument, as Cain has done here.

 

[KingMerv00]

If you have to keep asking "Is it a parody?", it has failed as parody.

 

[ponderingturtle]

If you have to keep asking "Is it a parody?", it has failed as parody.

The thing is that true nuts are immune from parody, they actually believe weirder stuff.

 

[Unabogie]

"Let's be serious for a moment and imagine Louis cock-diving on a grenade, blood paints the area: congratulations, everyone in the unit now has AIDS. Gay Iraqi AIDS. From teh butthex. Good job, Senate Democrat leadership."

Gay Iraqi AIDS sprayed from a guy cock-diving on a grenade?

Spoof! And good stuff, too.

 

[Cain]

It is absolutely relevant because in American politics the troops are sacred. Republicans regularly argued "the troops" wanted to be in Iraq. Stephen Colbert acknowledges he has to suck up to the crowd when he performed at an Army base. Do these young males know more about the current geopolitical situation; are they more likely inclined to possess insights on the ethics of discrimination? The main reason they're in the military is probably because they're not introspective.

 

[KingMerv00]

The main reason they're in the military is probably because they're not introspective.

Or they wanted to pay for college.

 

[Upchurch]

It is absolutely relevant because in American politics the troops are sacred. Republicans regularly argued "the troops" wanted to be in Iraq. Stephen Colbert acknowledges he has to suck up to the crowd when he performed at an Army base. Do these young males know more about the current geopolitical situation; are they more likely inclined to possess insights on the ethics of discrimination? The main reason they're in the military is probably because they're not introspective.

You aren't actually being serious, are you?

 

[KingMerv00]

This, however,seems a little too thick to be serious.

*Cain says more stuff*

You aren't actually being serious, are you?

Parody fail or logic fail? You make the call.

 

[MikeMangum]

Some?

97% is "some"?

Ouch. Technically, it is indeed "some". /pedantic defense

It's also "the vast and overwhelming majority". I'll guess Ron Paul didn't vote with them.

And no, I'm not going to go look that up. Why stop guessing without looking at the evidence now? It's worked so well for me in this thread.

 

[KingMerv00]

Ouch. Technically, it is indeed "some". /pedantic defense

It is also technically true that "some" people are born outside of Antarctica.

It's also "the vast and overwhelming majority". I'll guess Ron Paul didn't vote with them.

Paul voted to repeal.

And no, I'm not going to go look that up. Why stop guessing without looking at the evidence now? It's worked so well for me in this thread.

S'ok. We all make mistakes.

 

[JoeTheJuggler]

If you have to keep asking "Is it a parody?", it has failed as parody.

Amen!

There's no cleverness involved in imitating an absurd position and people basically telling the imitator that it's absurd.

The goal doesn't seem to be lampooning a position as much as it is saying, "Aha! I tricked you!"

And parody that isn't obviously a parody merely gives voice to rather than lampoons the absurd position it's imitating.

 

[Achán hiNidráne]

The biggest argument against homosexuals serving openly in the military is... bigots might have an issue with it. It's not a convincing argument at all.

You mean like these bigots?

 

[MattusMaximus]

It's a well-documented phenomenon: responders lie to pollsters in order to appear politically correct. Believe it or not, people don't always mean what they say.

Redtail:

Good one!

Let's be serious for a moment and imagine Louis cock-diving on a grenade, blood paints the area: congratulations, everyone in the unit now has AIDS. Gay Iraqi AIDS. From teh butthex. Good job, Senate Democrat leadership.

That's it. I'm officially calling troll here...

 

[Cain]

Or they wanted to pay for college.

Acknowledged in the parent post of this thread: http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=148742&highlight=troops

See also this well-written opinion piece (I'm not endorsing all of his claims, or the manner in which he raises them blah blah blah):

So, 4000 rubes are dead. Cry me the Tigris. Another 30,000 have been seriously wounded. Boo ******* hoo. They got what they asked for—and cool robotic limbs, too.

http://www.buffalobeast.com/126/****.the.troops.Ian.Murphy.html]Link. F-word can't get past the censor.

 

[Achán hiNidráne]

If the fundies in uniform REALLY don't want to serve alongside homosexuals, I say we accommodate them. They can leave, but under a dishonorable discharge. No G.I. Bill (yeah, as if these redneck trash could hack college). No military pension or other veteran's benefits. No usuable reference on a job application. NOTHING.

Why? Because while I never served I do know this much about the military: YOU OBEY ORDERS YOU ARE GIVEN, SOLDIER. If the civilian government who holds your leash and pays your salary decides that gays and lesbians can openly serve in the Armed Forces, you better smile and say "Sir! Yes sir!" It is part of that oath you took when you got to run around in that uniform and carry that cool rifle. Unless your bunkmate is doing something against regs, you keep your eyes forward and your big mouth shut. Who they **** when off duty in is none of your damn business, soldier/marine/airman/sailor!

If these Bible-humping psychos can't hold up to their sworn obligations, then there continued service is no longer required or desired.

 

[Darat]

If the fundies in uniform REALLY don't want to serve alongside homosexuals, I say we accommodate them. They can leave, but under a dishonorable discharge. ...snip...

I think that is a bit too harsh, why not adopt a "Don't ask, don't tell" approach? No one will ask about your bigoted opinions and you don't tell anyone them....