Merged Israel Attacks Palestinian Aid Flotilla, According To Reports

[DC]

It's part of redefining words as part of the propaganda war against Israel. See also genocide, pogrom, "collective punishment", apartheid, etc.


And I'm sure anti-semitism has nothing at all to do with it...

collective punishment ... propaganda war?
nonsense, when a blockade is not collective punishment, what is?

 

[Zach Aviv]

Only the Israelis would have managed to kill 20 of these idiots. Everyone else would have cuffed a few ears and broken a few bones.

Israels reaction to everything nowadays seems to be to pour more petrol on the flames.

We Jews too powerful to care. Few country complain now but it get forgot in time. I honest Jew who not try to hide behind victim scene. Other Jews here try to pretend victim in term of Israel killing of Palestinians, but they make Jews look dishonest. Mark Regev better Jew talker about excusing IDF killing of pretend aid people in international water.

 

[WildCat]

Strangely - just as you have just done. Yet another hypocritical argument.

This latest massacre merely demonstrates the completely official nature of the pogrom the apartheid government of Israel is waging against innocent Palestinians children. They would rather murder people than let them help the children of Palestine.

Let us see all watch in contempt as the site zionists enthusiastically support the mass murder by the IDF and watch in contempt as they try and justify this latest massacre.

I note that they have already started onto do so on this thread. How disgusting.

No, there is no attempt at all to redefine words just for Israel's detriment... it's all just my imagination.

 

[webfusion]

Only the Israelis would have managed to kill 20 9 of these idiots. ...
Israels reaction to everything nowadays seems to be to pour more petrol on the flames.

Fixed that number for you.

The flames that were lit by IHH deciding to ignore the offer to deliver the aid through legal channels?

I wonder what will happen when the next move by IHH is to try to deliver aid to Gaza by cargo helicopter?

 

[WildCat]

collective punishment ... propaganda war?
nonsense, when a blockade is not collective punishment, what is?

"Collective punishment" was inserted into the GC to thwart such practices as rounding up 100 random townsfolk to execute for the killing of 1 occupying soldier, something the Axis powers were known to do.

It has never been used to describe a blockade of non-essential items, except, of course, for Israel and only Israel.

It's not that the attempt to redefine this term is based on anti-semitism, oh no! It's because Israelis are so special they need to be held to a "higher standard" you see.

 

[Zach Aviv]

No, there is no attempt at all to redefine words just for Israel's detriment... it's all just my imagination.

You do not do cause of Jews good in playing victim in regard to attack on 'aid' ship. Honest Jew would support right of Jews to crush down inferior Palestinians who contaminate Land of Israel. No need for victim of Hamas now. We are too powerful. You know this. Ships to Gaza will be crushed.

 

[Jonnyclueless]

Zach, you could at least try to use some realism in your trolling. Were you a failed actor or something?

 

[Zach Aviv]

My comment about Gaza ship attack correct. This forum seem to allow hostility toward some poster but not other. I not respond back to your hostile talk as many poster have moderator favor here I see. I just talk about thread.

 

[WildCat]

LMAO! Yeah, and the Special Air Service only fly "special" planes, like acrobatic aircraft and triplane's, while the Navy Seals are really dolphin trainers! I mean, look at what their names mean in English!

Oh, the depths apologists will sink to!

It's SEALs, not Seals. It's an acronym, for Sea Air and Land.

The name is actually very descriptive.

 

[Debaser]

Wow. If only some of the posters on this board were part of the British 'Establishment'. Then we wouldn't have needed all the soul searching or pissed £400million up the wall carrying out the Bloody Sunday Inquiry.

'You Para lads came under fire? And you still let some of those bog trotters live? Bloody nancies...do a better job next time'.

Adjourned.

 

[WildCat]

The incident has caused a great uproar in Turkey.
many of the activists are Turkish.

This gives high hopes for easy passage through Turkish territory with the Free Kurdistan convoy I'm organizing.

Assuming that there is no double standard, of course.

No, no, it's not a double standard, it's just that there's a special standard just for Israel.

 

[WildCat]

Is Zach a troll or is he for real?

100% troll. Don't feed etc.

 

[funk de fino]

Another substance-free post from funk!

Not much substace to the same old strawmen arguments trotted out here by defenders of Israel.

Strangely the news reporting I have seen over here (USA) on this is pretty much blaming Israel. I guess they are all anti semites over here.

 

[funk de fino]

"Collective punishment" was inserted into the GC to thwart such practices as rounding up 100 random townsfolk to execute for the killing of 1 occupying soldier, something the Axis powers were known to do.

It has never been used to describe a blockade of non-essential items, except, of course, for Israel and only Israel.

It's not that the attempt to redefine this term is based on anti-semitism, oh no! It's because Israelis are so special they need to be held to a "higher standard" you see.

Is the wall collective punishment? Are the blockades collective punishment? Lets not get bogged down in GC definitions lets just use the dictionary.

Keep throwing out the anti semite cards and pretending everyone who crtiticises Israel is another EJ Armstrong. It's a great tactic. Cowardly, but great.

 

[WildCat]

Not much substace to the same old strawmen arguments trotted out here by defenders of Israel.

Strangely the news reporting I have seen over here (USA) on this is pretty much blaming Israel. I guess they are all anti semites over here.

Is that what your panties are in a knot over?

If you think I said it was all due to anti-semitism, it's a reading comprehension failure on your part.

 

[WildCat]

Is the wall collective punishment? Are the blockades collective punishment? Lets not get bogged down in GC definitions lets just use the dictionary.

If you're going to use the term in the context of the GC (for example claiming it's a war crime) then the GC definition is what you must go by. Meanwhile the goal is to make both definitions one and the same, for Israel anyway.

Keep throwing out the anti semite cards and pretending everyone who crtiticises Israel is another EJ Armstrong. It's a great tactic. Cowardly, but great.

When people deliberately mislead about any topic here it's fair game to speculate on their motives. Particularly after the misuse has been pointed out to them and they still continue to use the terms.

Ironically, even the term "anti-semite" is being redefined specifically for Israel's detriment.

 

[Eddie Dane]

For the record: I think shooting 20 lightly armed Guardian readers is really a bit over the top.

I'm sure a better solution must have been possible.

 

[funk de fino]

If you're going to use the term in the context of the GC (for example claiming it's a war crime) then the GC definition is what you must go by. Meanwhile the goal is to make both definitions one and the same, for Israel anyway.

I am not using the GC, you seem to have brought thi into it. Is it collective punishment or not? It was definitions you wanted to talk about.

When people deliberately mislead about any topic here it's fair game to speculate on their motives. Particularly after the misuse has been pointed out to them and they still continue to use the terms.

The wall and the blockades are collective punishment. Am I dishonest for saying that?

Ironically, even the term "anti-semite" is being redefined specifically for Israel's detriment.

Well it is you that seems to use it more than anyone else here. Your definition seems to be different to mine.

 

[bigjelmapro]

Effective has nothing to do with finding anything. Remeber the rules were put in place to prevent unreasonable dissruption to trade. Countries had found that they could claim they were blockading whoever and then radomly raid ships. This was bad for trade. Instead the requirement was introduced that a blockade be effective. That basicaly meant that they deployed enough force to have a decent chance of stopping the vast majority of ships. There was no requirement that they actualy find anything relivant. For example at least towards the end of WW1 Britian's blockade of Germany was legal.

Israel and Hamas, the ruling party of Gaza, are in a state of armed and under international maritime law under this state of armed conflict Israel can impose a blockade of all maritime traffic, including both civilian and non-civilian traffic.

Official Israeli foreign affairs position: The Gaza flotilla and the maritime blockade of Gaza - Legal background

This flotilla had stated its intentions to break this blockade so there's nothing 'random' about it.

Comparing the ability to stop most traffic on the scale of Britain against Germany was not feasible based on the manpower and the resources required to fully block all traffic coming in and out of the country/territory in question. With the limited amount of coastline Gaza has, this is completely feasible in addition to advances in technology.

Not using the term effective in terms of finding anything. Its to minimize the ability to Hamas to wage war against Israel and to severely limit their supplies and financial lifelines regarding this ability.

Thus blockades could be used as a tactic of war without causeing widespread dissruption to trade which I'm sure we can all agree is the important thing. All this long predates Isreal however.

Its not a tactic of war if one is already in a state of war. Both you and I know the difficulties in applying international rules of engagement and war in general when dealing with asymmetrical warfare, so I would appreciate that we stop drawing parallels between warring countries like WWII era Britain and Germany and that of Hamas/PLO and Israel.

In addition, the blockade by Britian on Germany hurt Germany's overall campaign of war. This is not necessarily true when it comes to Hamas's asymetric campaign where even one vessel with several tons of military equipment will allow it to drag on this conflict for years to come. For Hamas, its not about timing, for Germany and their axis allies, it was.

The only real disruptions in trade between Israel and Gaza occurred and continues to occur when trade/humanitarian convoys are diverted to Hamas and other terrorist factions posing as working governments and when the trade hubs themselves are attacked closing them down.

Attacking the UN misses the point. If you are going to make the argument that something is de jure legal and therefor fine it had better be de jure legal which means meeting every de jure requirement no matter how objectionable you find them.

How does it miss the point? The UN itself states that ch VII art 41 is their call based on a vote. Judging by their past abilities to enforce the brunt of their initiatives worldwide, the lateness, and once they receive a charter to act on any conflict, I completely think its relevant since its the international body in the world that is looked upon for clearance and its ability to act in areas of armed conflict and humanitarian functions.

Point out where this is not de jure according to international maritime law regarding a state of armed conflict between two (or more) parties.

 

[funk de fino]

Is that what your panties are in a knot over?

If you think I said it was all due to anti-semitism, it's a reading comprehension failure on your part.

I never said you did, but you seem to have an obsession about throwing the accusation about liberally. It almost like a shield of steel.